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Would you be in favour of an alternative championship for Div 3 and 4 with winners and runners up rejoining the other championship.

Yes
77 (50.7%)
No
67 (44.1%)
Undecided
8 (5.3%)

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High Fielder

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #270 on: September 19, 2018, 10:33:02 PM »
What's your alternative?

No point even discussing it. As a Roscommon native, you should be happy to take whatever Galway and Mayo don't want. Be grateful that you get the odd bite. I reached an all time low sitting in front of Dublin fans clapping our scores and being genuinely surprised that we had "one or two who could play a bit". Best to get us into a lower tier competition and stop cluttering up the place.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #271 on: September 19, 2018, 10:53:43 PM »
Flogging a dead horse. County boundaries are not, and never have been, an appropriate way of sectioning players into teams. The County system is used in England for Cricket, but movement is allowed in and out of the county so that the County can be competitive. Not here. You're stuck with your population and player base and that closed door policy will ensure that the weak can never prosper. Basically, the county system is a complete sham, but ironically enough, the GAA use it as their USP.
Maybe you could have county amalgamations or franchises?

Galway and Mayo could merge to become "Galwayo".
Cork and Kerry could merge to become become "Cerry", or maybe "Kork", or maybe even "Corkerry".
Tyrone and Derry would merge to become "Tyrone". If the Derry people objected they could merge with London instead.

Then knock a load of drive through counties together to form the BMW Region. Would be a handy sponsorship tie in there and all.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #272 on: September 19, 2018, 11:06:48 PM »
What's your alternative?

No point even discussing it. As a Roscommon native, you should be happy to take whatever Galway and Mayo don't want. Be grateful that you get the odd bite. I reached an all time low sitting in front of Dublin fans clapping our scores and being genuinely surprised that we had "one or two who could play a bit". Best to get us into a lower tier competition and stop cluttering up the place.

In a forum filled with weak attempts at trolling (that the posters appear to think are brilliantly constructed rouses) this has to be one of the more embarassing efforts.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #273 on: September 20, 2018, 08:30:12 AM »
Trolling? Me? You have over 15,000 posts. This forum is your life

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #275 on: October 03, 2018, 08:52:09 AM »
Run off the league. 1st plays 32nd, 2nd plays 31st and so on.
If you lose you go into a secondary competition. If you win you continue in AI championship.
Once you lose for 2nd time you are out of either competition. Knock out all the way.

Every county gets at least two competitive games
More emphasis on league, especially later games.
Does away with meaningless inter provincial championships
There will be the odd scalp which will still give that bit of romance to the thing.

(apologies if this has already been suggested. Haven't read any previous posts)

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #276 on: October 03, 2018, 09:07:53 AM »
Run off the league. 1st plays 32nd, 2nd plays 31st and so on.
If you lose you go into a secondary competition. If you win you continue in AI championship.
Once you lose for 2nd time you are out of either competition. Knock out all the way.

Every county gets at least two competitive games
More emphasis on league, especially later games.
Does away with meaningless inter provincial championships
There will be the odd scalp which will still give that bit of romance to the thing.

(apologies if this has already been suggested. Haven't read any previous posts)

Can't wait for Dublin v London in round 1.
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #277 on: October 03, 2018, 09:26:49 AM »
So be it.

Should have said - after round 1 its open draw  :)

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #278 on: October 03, 2018, 01:20:26 PM »
So be it.

Should have said - after round 1 its open draw  :)

This might have some support, I would modify by having top 8 automatically into tier 1 and bottom 8 into tier 2, the round 1 games would then be essentially div 2 v div 3 which should provide some close games...
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #279 on: October 03, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »
All the Div 2 and Div3 teams would be playing each other in Rd1 anyway given their league positions.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #280 on: October 03, 2018, 05:46:54 PM »
Correct you just avoid the div 4 v div 1 which would not be entertaining at all
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #281 on: October 03, 2018, 06:22:28 PM »
Limerick Manager in favour of 2nd Tier

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ďI know there are people who donít agree with a two-tier championship but football is now the only sport under the Gaelic Games banner which doesnít have a tiered system. There are tiers in hurling, camogie, and ladies football. Itís time football went that way too,Ē said Lee.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/limerick-boss-lee-supports-second-tier-championship-871449.html

Benji Whelan the new Waterford manager also said it was worth looking at.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/new-deise-boss-whelan-open-to-secondary-competition-872104.html

Ciaran Deely the London manager has spoken out in favour of it before.


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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #282 on: October 04, 2018, 04:17:04 PM »
May be a few dead rubber games in round 1 but no doubt an odd shock also. IMO the way forward ::)

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #283 on: October 18, 2018, 04:06:11 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/thats-the-one-that-mightnt-make-it-through-toms-s-thinks-one-new-football-rule-change-might-run-into-problems-37433713.html

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Wicklow lead drive for Tier 2 football championship

Martin Breheny

October 18 2018 2:30 AM

Wicklow are leading a campaign for the introduction of a Tier 2 football championship for 16 counties, which would spell the end of the current format where all counties beaten in the provincial series re-enter the All-Ireland race via the qualifiers.

It comes following a discussion at Central Council last month where there was unanimous agreement that the Tier 2 option should be explored. Wicklow's plan proposes that Division 3 and 4 counties drop out of All-Ireland contention unless they reach their provincial final. Instead, they would play in a Tier 2 championship, with the semi-finals and final played in Croke Park as curtain-raisers to the Sam Maguire equivalents.

If Division 3 or 4 counties reach provincial finals - as Fermanagh and Laois did this year - they would continue in the All-Ireland race.

Wicklow are proposing that a 'Super 8s' system, which replaced the All-Ireland quarter-finals this year, also apply in Tier 2.

"Bringing in a Tier 2 championship would provide welcome light at the end of the tunnel for Division 3 and 4 counties. The new competition would give them something to aim at with a chance of winning and would also and give them a chance of playing in Croke Park on the biggest days," said Martin Coleman, Wicklow's Central Council representative.

"The important thing is that every county gets to play in their own provincial championship. There's no change there.

"The new competition would have to be promoted and marketed. There's no point running it unless it's sold as an important competition designed to give Division 3 and 4 counties something to aim at," said Coleman.

More talk of Tier 2.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #284 on: October 18, 2018, 04:43:36 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/thats-the-one-that-mightnt-make-it-through-toms-s-thinks-one-new-football-rule-change-might-run-into-problems-37433713.html

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Wicklow lead drive for Tier 2 football championship

Martin Breheny

October 18 2018 2:30 AM

Wicklow are leading a campaign for the introduction of a Tier 2 football championship for 16 counties, which would spell the end of the current format where all counties beaten in the provincial series re-enter the All-Ireland race via the qualifiers.

It comes following a discussion at Central Council last month where there was unanimous agreement that the Tier 2 option should be explored. Wicklow's plan proposes that Division 3 and 4 counties drop out of All-Ireland contention unless they reach their provincial final. Instead, they would play in a Tier 2 championship, with the semi-finals and final played in Croke Park as curtain-raisers to the Sam Maguire equivalents.

If Division 3 or 4 counties reach provincial finals - as Fermanagh and Laois did this year - they would continue in the All-Ireland race.

Wicklow are proposing that a 'Super 8s' system, which replaced the All-Ireland quarter-finals this year, also apply in Tier 2.

"Bringing in a Tier 2 championship would provide welcome light at the end of the tunnel for Division 3 and 4 counties. The new competition would give them something to aim at with a chance of winning and would also and give them a chance of playing in Croke Park on the biggest days," said Martin Coleman, Wicklow's Central Council representative.

"The important thing is that every county gets to play in their own provincial championship. There's no change there.

"The new competition would have to be promoted and marketed. There's no point running it unless it's sold as an important competition designed to give Division 3 and 4 counties something to aim at," said Coleman.

More talk of Tier 2.
It's bad enough doing that as it is, but in a Tier 2 competition too? What would they call it like, the "Not-so-super 8's"?