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Would you be in favour of an alternative championship for Div 3 and 4 with winners and runners up rejoining the other championship.

Yes
126 (53.6%)
No
94 (40%)
Undecided
15 (6.4%)

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1035 on: July 04, 2019, 12:43:42 PM »

Thats a completely different thing though.
What i mean is, how easy the route is for cork/kerry to reach the super 8s as opposed to say an ulster county.

It's not completely different. It's impossible to eliminate every unfairness.

Personally, I'd far prefer to see my own county win a provincial title than reach the not-so-super 8s.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1036 on: July 04, 2019, 12:59:21 PM »
Blowup's scenario is just a tweak of the present knock out do or die qualifiers whose first 2 rounds are mainly populated by D3 and 4 teams.
Making the League more important than the Provincials is daft unless you move the League to the Summer.
Anyway the GAA has the 2 proposals emanating from last weekend's CC meeting on its table so we'll see how that works out.
Meanwhile we folks on discussion forums can put forward our ideas on Championship reforms and good luck to us.
Like the TV programme "we asked 100 people..." we'd get maybe 90 different proposals.
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1037 on: July 05, 2019, 12:43:14 AM »
A speech from Lord Hor Hor

GAA calling, GAA calling.

Weak counties - Achtung! Surrender!

The Leader hereby decrees that the Irish People, the people of the GAA and the people of our associated official broadcast partners and corporate sponsors, demand a final solution to the question of the sick, the infirm and the cripple counties.

The Leader decrees that from 2020 on, the sick counties will be concentrated in a new, vibrant second tier All-Ireland football losers competition, called the Vibrant Losers' Cup, to be played in a blitz, the final of which will take place in Roscrea at 10 am on the first Saturday in August, thereby ensuring huge media attention, as promised. The winners will carry a gold star on their jerseys for the following year.

The strong are tired of propping up the weak. The masters of the race for Sam must and will have lebensraum. The All-Ireland championship must be kept pure and free of the polluting influence of the no hopers.

No longer will Dublin travel to Leitrim, no longer will Tyrone travel to Longford, no longer will Mayo tavel to Longford, no longer will Kerry travel to, eh, Longford, it's always f**king Longford, isn't it.

Gaelic football is a survival of the fittest. The strong must devour the weak. Know your place, piccaninnies.

At a Special Sitting (SS) in October, all opposition will be swept aside and a glorious new competition which will last for a thousand years will come into being.

In co-ordination with Head of Propaganda Josef Brolly, we will sweep aside all opposition to the Vibrant Cup. The weak and the sick will be given Das Boot.

Our head of propaganda has called for a socialist GAA. This is what we will give people, a glorious, national, socialist GAA.

There is nobody who will stand in the way of the glorious future.

No appeal from any sick county that they will be destroyed forever will be heard. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

To those weak, sick counties who defy the will of the people and our associated official broadcast partners and corporate sponsors for this glorious future, I have three words to say to them - Arbeit Macht Frei.

Heil Hor Hor!

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1038 on: July 15, 2019, 10:26:12 PM »
Should Mayo and Cork be in tier 2? Given our terrible performance and Cork's 13 point defeat. Sure that's why the second tier is about. Avoiding tankings.
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1039 on: July 15, 2019, 10:46:11 PM »
Should Mayo and Cork be in tier 2? Given our terrible performance and Cork's 13 point defeat. Sure that's why the second tier is about. Avoiding tankings.

Quite a few disingenuous idiots on here.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1040 on: July 16, 2019, 01:56:37 PM »
Should Mayo and Cork be in tier 2? Given our terrible performance and Cork's 13 point defeat. Sure that's why the second tier is about. Avoiding tankings.
Yeah sure lets just have Dublin as tier one playing themselves then everyone else can be tier 2.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1042 on: September 16, 2019, 12:36:59 PM »

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1043 on: September 16, 2019, 01:25:40 PM »
Just to make Benny's and Hardstations day ;D

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-ignore-gpas-appeal-to-defer-vote-on-second-tier-38501081.html

No surprise there. I always knew the GAA fascists would make it happen.

Jesus, there should nearly be three tiers, never mind two.
Dublin V Wicklow, Dublin V Carlow, Kerry V Waterford.
No disrespect to any of the lesser counties, but sweet jesus, how can you continue to motivate a young fella to burst his balls for three or four months and then to experience the annual hammering.

btw, the GAA hierarchy are also stupid if they think that this alone will resolve the bigger issue.
Give counties in DIV 3 and 4 (multiple ) extra coaches and funding, otherwise the second tier will eventually die off.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1044 on: September 16, 2019, 01:27:57 PM »
Two tiers, one for the dubs and one for the rest. Dubs can play among themselves or split themselves up!

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1045 on: September 16, 2019, 03:00:42 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1046 on: September 16, 2019, 03:10:19 PM »
Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1047 on: September 16, 2019, 05:08:45 PM »
Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

To be more competitive against the top teams the next time they play them has to be a motivation and to not allow themselves fall back to the level they were at.  Cavan,Roscommon,Kildare who all had their spells in Div 3 and Galway who was a middle of the road Div 2 team getting knocked out of Connacht by Sligo and the All Ireland series by Antrim. And yes i agree tanking will always happen regardless of the format or tiers you have just look at hurling this summer to see that.
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1048 on: September 16, 2019, 05:31:47 PM »
Proposed Football Rule changes for the Special Congress -
Kick outs from 20m line
Mark for catching a ball kicked from outside 45 which travel 20m or more
10 minute sin bin for black cards.

Tweaks to "Super 8"s but will have to go to full Congress it seems.
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1049 on: September 17, 2019, 11:02:42 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)
Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

Both correct.

If the idea is to go down this tiered route, then it needs to be done properly with three tiers. Counties around 9-16 will remain no hopers in the top tier. And counties down at 25-32/33 will remain uncompetitive in the second tier.

Two tiers is half an idea, just like most out of Croke Park.