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shawshank

Watched both the Derry game Tyrone, actually watched both games last week to. Derry are improved but we have a good bit to go. Rory has done a decent job bringing through the youth, but his Achilles heels is his fear to let the ball be kicked. The top teams let the ball in at the right time, creates variety in your play. Derry defensively well improved, plenty of structure and support each other well coming out with the ball but everything is through the hand. But at least you have a bit of confidence in the team.
Championship next week, it will be a couple of games at most. Promotion next year imperative.

theticklemister

I thought the pace of the game was extremely slow, a week out from Championship.

I can only remember one ball being kicked in long and all our kick outs went short. We can have no complaints about the latter, as we retained them all and scored from a lot of those attacks.

Cluborcountywhynotboth

Quote from: shawshank on October 25, 2020, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
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Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.

What a load of balls.
Very constructive. Which part is balls?? Has he played any senior football of note? Has he been playing another sport? Has he actually proving anything at senior level??? If you disagree with my opinion that he shouldn't  be in the in the squad then fine, but nothing I have said is a 'load of balls' it's all factual.

Taylor

Some people on our county said the same about Conor McKenna. See how that is working out

restorepride

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 26, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
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Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.

What a load of balls.
Very constructive. Which part is balls?? Has he played any senior football of note? Has he been playing another sport? Has he actually proving anything at senior level??? If you disagree with my opinion that he shouldn't  be in the in the squad then fine, but nothing I have said is a 'load of balls' it's all factual.
Not a load of balls - more about 2 balls, one round and one oval!!  Some of what you wrote is opinion so not necessarily factual!!  Anyhow, as most posters will know, many of the skills are very transferable so the 2 games are not as completely different as you suggest -  hence the huge interest from Australia, not to mention the money involved.  As already stated, Conor will be grand and if he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.   Doire abú!!

Cluborcountywhynotboth

Quote from: restorepride on October 26, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 26, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: shawshank on October 25, 2020, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.

What a load of balls.
Very constructive. Which part is balls?? Has he played any senior football of note? Has he been playing another sport? Has he actually proving anything at senior level??? If you disagree with my opinion that he shouldn't  be in the in the squad then fine, but nothing I have said is a 'load of balls' it's all factual.
Not a load of balls - more about 2 balls, one round and one oval!!  Some of what you wrote is opinion so not necessarily factual!!  Anyhow, as most posters will know, many of the skills are very transferable so the 2 games are not as completely different as you suggest -  hence the huge interest from Australia, not to mention the money involved.  As already stated, Conor will be grand and if he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.   Doire abú!!
The only part of my post which is opinion is my opinion that he shouldn't be in the squad at this stage. The two sports (while having some similarities) are in fact different sports, Conor hasn't in fact played any real senior football, and he hasn't proven anything in Gaelic football at adult level. Those are all facts and not opinion. As for your 'he will give 100%', am sure he will, but that's the bare minimum anyone representing our county should be expected to give and am sure any of the hundreds (thousands??) of other players eligible for Derry would do the same so am not sure what your point is in adding that as some kind of badge of honour. Listen, am sure Conor is a good lad, he is obviously an impressive physical specimen and out of the players we have lost to the AFL in recent years I think he is possibly the one who could make an impact at county level. But that still doesn't change my opinion that someone who has never played senior football, who hasn't played any Gaelic in 4 years and who is literally just off the plane should not be placed straight into a senior county panel and into a starting lineup after 2/3 training sessions. Just my opinion.

restorepride

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.
Highlighted above is all opinion - which you are entitled to.

Ball

Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 26, 2020, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 26, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 26, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: shawshank on October 25, 2020, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.

What a load of balls.
Very constructive. Which part is balls?? Has he played any senior football of note? Has he been playing another sport? Has he actually proving anything at senior level??? If you disagree with my opinion that he shouldn't  be in the in the squad then fine, but nothing I have said is a 'load of balls' it's all factual.
Not a load of balls - more about 2 balls, one round and one oval!!  Some of what you wrote is opinion so not necessarily factual!!  Anyhow, as most posters will know, many of the skills are very transferable so the 2 games are not as completely different as you suggest -  hence the huge interest from Australia, not to mention the money involved.  As already stated, Conor will be grand and if he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.   Doire abú!!
The only part of my post which is opinion is my opinion that he shouldn't be in the squad at this stage. The two sports (while having some similarities) are in fact different sports, Conor hasn't in fact played any real senior football, and he hasn't proven anything in Gaelic football at adult level. Those are all facts and not opinion. As for your 'he will give 100%', am sure he will, but that's the bare minimum anyone representing our county should be expected to give and am sure any of the hundreds (thousands??) of other players eligible for Derry would do the same so am not sure what your point is in adding that as some kind of badge of honour. Listen, am sure Conor is a good lad, he is obviously an impressive physical specimen and out of the players we have lost to the AFL in recent years I think he is possibly the one who could make an impact at county level. But that still doesn't change my opinion that someone who has never played senior football, who hasn't played any Gaelic in 4 years and who is literally just off the plane should not be placed straight into a senior county panel and into a starting lineup after 2/3 training sessions. Just my opinion.

I don't want to compare the 2 players as they are different and play different positions but on your opinion Conor McKenna wouldnt be on the Tyrone team either?

I could be wrong but dont think hes played much more senior football than Glass.

Conor Glass has been dropped in at the deep end being just off the plane but most people would agree we aren't expecting him to have a massive impact right away. Hopefully this will be the quickest way for him to get up to the speed of inter county GAA.

Conor was eager to be involved right away and is in the mold of the type of player Derry are crying out for in the middle of the park.

My opinion is he will come good in time whether thats this year or next.

JoG2

Quote from: Ball on October 26, 2020, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 26, 2020, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 26, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 26, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: shawshank on October 25, 2020, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.

What a load of balls.
Very constructive. Which part is balls?? Has he played any senior football of note? Has he been playing another sport? Has he actually proving anything at senior level??? If you disagree with my opinion that he shouldn't  be in the in the squad then fine, but nothing I have said is a 'load of balls' it's all factual.
Not a load of balls - more about 2 balls, one round and one oval!!  Some of what you wrote is opinion so not necessarily factual!!  Anyhow, as most posters will know, many of the skills are very transferable so the 2 games are not as completely different as you suggest -  hence the huge interest from Australia, not to mention the money involved.  As already stated, Conor will be grand and if he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.   Doire abú!!
The only part of my post which is opinion is my opinion that he shouldn't be in the squad at this stage. The two sports (while having some similarities) are in fact different sports, Conor hasn't in fact played any real senior football, and he hasn't proven anything in Gaelic football at adult level. Those are all facts and not opinion. As for your 'he will give 100%', am sure he will, but that's the bare minimum anyone representing our county should be expected to give and am sure any of the hundreds (thousands??) of other players eligible for Derry would do the same so am not sure what your point is in adding that as some kind of badge of honour. Listen, am sure Conor is a good lad, he is obviously an impressive physical specimen and out of the players we have lost to the AFL in recent years I think he is possibly the one who could make an impact at county level. But that still doesn't change my opinion that someone who has never played senior football, who hasn't played any Gaelic in 4 years and who is literally just off the plane should not be placed straight into a senior county panel and into a starting lineup after 2/3 training sessions. Just my opinion.

I don't want to compare the 2 players as they are different and play different positions but on your opinion Conor McKenna wouldnt be on the Tyrone team either?

I could be wrong but dont think hes played much more senior football than Glass.

Conor Glass has been dropped in at the deep end being just off the plane but most people would agree we aren't expecting him to have a massive impact right away. Hopefully this will be the quickest way for him to get up to the speed of inter county GAA.

Conor was eager to be involved right away and is in the mold of the type of player Derry are crying out for in the middle of the park.

My opinion is he will come good in time whether thats this year or next.

With the season we're currently having, it is the perfect time to have him about. It's almost a free hit. Seems a very grounded young fellow

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
Definitely true. He had no right to "put his hand up" or deserve to be accepted onto the panel, just like Conor mckenna in tyrone. The two of them havent played since they were like 18, or played a handful of senior games even for their clubs.

restorepride

The good news is that Glass is definitely an option - I would be tempted to put him on which ever of the O'Neills is out round the middle, in a spoiler role.  They do seem to rotate.  Maybe frustrate and draw a card or two!!  We definitely need more physicality in that area and I imagine Ard Mhacha will push up on short kick-outs and force us to go long.  Lynch will maybe have the most important job on the day?!  Any news on Emmet Bradley being available to start?

Silver hill

Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 26, 2020, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
Definitely true. He had no right to "put his hand up" or deserve to be accepted onto the panel, just like Conor mckenna in tyrone. The two of them havent played since they were like 18, or played a handful of senior games even for their clubs.

I think you're arguing against yourself there when you bring mckenna into it. He scored 1-2 last week and 2-2 yesterday......do you think he should have to prove himself in some way at club level before Harte can pick him? Same with Conor Glass? How long should Coleman have made Tohill sit out in 91 (After returning from Oz)before he let him play?

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: Silver hill on October 26, 2020, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 26, 2020, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
Definitely true. He had no right to "put his hand up" or deserve to be accepted onto the panel, just like Conor mckenna in tyrone. The two of them havent played since they were like 18, or played a handful of senior games even for their clubs.

I think you're arguing against yourself there when you bring mckenna into it. He scored 1-2 last week and 2-2 yesterday......do you think he should have to prove himself in some way at club level before Harte can pick him? Same with Conor Glass? How long should Coleman have made Tohill sit out in 91 (After returning from Oz)before he let him play?
Nope, my point is consistent, what he scored is irrelevant. Neither the two of them have played gaelic in years, so neither shouldve been accepted straight onto county panels without proving themselves again for their clubs. Particularly when you note that other players from both counties had strong club seasons and werent asked onto the county panels, but boys whove barely even played senior club yet are asked on.

JoG2

Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 26, 2020, 05:44:26 PM
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 26, 2020, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 25, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 25, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cluborcountywhynotboth on October 25, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
Definitely true. He had no right to "put his hand up" or deserve to be accepted onto the panel, just like Conor mckenna in tyrone. The two of them havent played since they were like 18, or played a handful of senior games even for their clubs.

I think you're arguing against yourself there when you bring mckenna into it. He scored 1-2 last week and 2-2 yesterday......do you think he should have to prove himself in some way at club level before Harte can pick him? Same with Conor Glass? How long should Coleman have made Tohill sit out in 91 (After returning from Oz)before he let him play?
Nope, my point is consistent, what he scored is irrelevant. Neither the two of them have played gaelic in years, so neither shouldve been accepted straight onto county panels without proving themselves again for their clubs. Particularly when you note that other players from both counties had strong club seasons and werent asked onto the county panels, but boys whove barely even played senior club yet are asked on.

Away outta that!  ;D

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Glass should never have been near a county panel this year. Was a very good underage player and hopefully will also be a very good senior player, but he has played little or no senior football of any note and hasn't played at all in 4 years, absolutely disgraceful that he is drafted in straight off the plane on underage reputation alone. Should have been left to play some senior football with Glen before he was ever looked at for county.
True. Same goes for Conor mckenna too
Not true.  Conor Glass was playing at elite, professional level for the last number of years, he put his hand up again to represent the county on return - which is more than some other players who never left these shore did.   He deserved the chance for a number of reasons - to possibly play a key role in a one-off year, to get a sense of how quickly he might or might not adapt and to encourage those around him.  Today's performance gave him and Gallagher some more information.  It will take him much longer to adapt and Conor now knows that fully.  However he could still be effective v Ard Mhacha, albeit in a more defensive or man-marking role.  Derry aren't that long out of Division 4, still haven't got out of Division 3 and do not have a queue of others lining up to play for the county.  Conor will be grand - it was just disappointing for Derry today, and for him, that he didn't have a better game.  If he does feature v Ard Mhacha, he will give 100%.
He was playing a totally different sport, he hasn't played any kind of competitive Gaelic football in at least 4 years and hasn't played at all (bar against Banagher as another poster said) at adult level. There is absolutely no way he should have been rushed straight into the county set up. As I said, I hope he goes on to be as good and successful a senior player as he was underage, but he has done nothing to merit it yet and the ridiculous OTT attention on him by the Derry GAA community and local media could actually be detrimental to his development as a player.
Highlighted above is all opinion - which you are entitled to.
So by highlighting 'totally' are yous saying that AFL is the same as GAA?? It's a professional sport played in a completely different climate with a different size and  shaped pitch with a different shaped ball with completely different rules set, other than it being a 'catch and kick' game, it is a different totally sport. As for the other parts please enlighten me as to Conors vast experience at senior adult level in GAA??? Also the balk of your highlighted part is my explaining why I don't think he should be in the panel....which I already said was my opinion.
If you think Conor should be in the panel then more power to you and everyone else, we are all welcome to our opinion, but don't try and claim that he has some kind to massive legacy at adult level in GAA and is there on merit, he is there on underage reputation and hype alone nothing else.