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Should have been a 2 pointer. As I say the ref needs to be absolutely sure it is, or is not. The evidence supports it should have a been a two pointer. The balance of probability is in S'neils favour here.

The ref doesn't even point what way the foul was on the infraction is given. That is such an incredible penalty for S'neil to have suffered. The ball broke, a s'neil player gets the break, the Newbridge player hits and the ball spills and the ref penalises s'neil, and as I said no hand signal to indicate his decision. The s'neil player who won the break concentration was on getting the ball. A brilliant example of such a terrible rule never mind the ref not signalling clearly

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Should have been a 2 pointer. As I say the ref needs to be absolutely sure it is, or is not. The evidence supports it should have a been a two pointer. The balance of probability is in S'neils favour here.

The ref doesn't even point what way the foul was on the infraction is given. That is such an incredible penalty for S'neil to have suffered. The ball broke, a s'neil player gets the break, the Newbridge player hits and the ball spills and the ref penalises s'neil, and as I said no hand signal to indicate his decision. The s'neil player who won the break concentration was on getting the ball. A brilliant example of such a terrible rule never mind the ref not signalling clearly

Who's that from Newbridge commentating with Alan Gunn? Definitely a one pointer, definitely over

[jb77]

Paul McFlynn I think

[Estimator]

I wouldn't say either team are finished, yeah they might not win back to back titles next year again but will still be there at the business end next year.

I disagree. I think Newbridge and Magherafelt will be battling it out for top spot, and others will move up the pecking order. I think Lavey (based on age profile) is the most likely to move Glen/Slaughtneil off a top 3 or 4 spot, then Steelstown or Dungiven.

Both Slaughtneil and Glen have 5 or 6 starters over 30, and the quality isn't there in their younger players to replace some of these icons.

They will still compete for sure, but it will be rebuilding for both of them. The circle of life.

If anyone thinks differently, provide some details, not wishful thinking. Let's get some debate going.
 

The younger players slaughtneil have brought in this year havent looked a bit out of place imo. I dont think Glen got it together at all this year, theyll need some new blood for sure but i expect them to bounce back and challenge again, too many good player not too.

I do agree Lavey are next likely to push into the top 4 but youve lost me at Dungiven and Steelstown? Are you just going off age profile?

In fairness Dungiven and Magherafelt have shared the last 4 minor titles evenly between them, so I can see why Dungiven was included.

[HonDerry]

I wouldn't say either team are finished, yeah they might not win back to back titles next year again but will still be there at the business end next year.

I disagree. I think Newbridge and Magherafelt will be battling it out for top spot, and others will move up the pecking order. I think Lavey (based on age profile) is the most likely to move Glen/Slaughtneil off a top 3 or 4 spot, then Steelstown or Dungiven.

Both Slaughtneil and Glen have 5 or 6 starters over 30, and the quality isn't there in their younger players to replace some of these icons.

They will still compete for sure, but it will be rebuilding for both of them. The circle of life.

If anyone thinks differently, provide some details, not wishful thinking. Let's get some debate going.
 

The younger players slaughtneil have brought in this year havent looked a bit out of place imo. I dont think Glen got it together at all this year, theyll need some new blood for sure but i expect them to bounce back and challenge again, too many good player not too.

I do agree Lavey are next likely to push into the top 4 but youve lost me at Dungiven and Steelstown? Are you just going off age profile?

The younger players are not looking out of place in the context of it being their first year, but they are not standouts either.

Not like, Patsy,Sammy, Chrissy or Brendan were at that age. And with this batch of 30+ year old plus either retiring or losing running ability each year, it will allow other teams to close the gap. Same scenario with Glen - they don't have the younger players who will stand out coming into the team. It seems it's the fate of many great teams. I saw it happen with Lavey in the 1990s and then with Ballinderry in the 2010s.

Dungiven, who seem to have their act together, will keep improving; they do have the young players to do that. Steelstown have a good mix and Gilmore to add back in. They came very close to beating Newbridge, and that experience will add to them.

So I will say again that the top 4 next year will not be the same as this year, and someone is going to knock Glen and/or Slaughtneil off that top 4 position.

 

[JE23]

Evidence is clear, he is on the line and its a 2 pointer. If you do or don't award something as a ref, it needs to be clear cut. This is evidence that it was not. essentially the ref effected the result. Not saying this was deliberate, but it should have been 2 pts, lets face it its unambiguous.

He also did give Slaughtneil a 2 pointer free (which Sammy put over) where Tad had clearly touched the ball on the ground just before the Newbridge foul.

As others have mentioned, he did get a few wrong. I'm not sure he's the man for a senior semi final.

[Brendan]

Evidence is clear, he is on the line and its a 2 pointer. If you do or don't award something as a ref, it needs to be clear cut. This is evidence that it was not. essentially the ref effected the result. Not saying this was deliberate, but it should have been 2 pts, lets face it its unambiguous.

He also did give Slaughtneil a 2 pointer free (which Sammy put over) where Tad had clearly touched the ball on the ground just before the Newbridge foul.

As others have mentioned, he did get a few wrong. I'm not sure he's the man for a senior semi final.

I've been on this board a few years now and I've seen this about almost every ref in the county, is there anyone actually capable?

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Should have been a 2 pointer. As I say the ref needs to be absolutely sure it is, or is not. The evidence supports it should have a been a two pointer. The balance of probability is in S'neils favour here.

The ref doesn't even point what way the foul was on the infraction is given. That is such an incredible penalty for S'neil to have suffered. The ball broke, a s'neil player gets the break, the Newbridge player hits and the ball spills and the ref penalises s'neil, and as I said no hand signal to indicate his decision. The s'neil player who won the break concentration was on getting the ball. A brilliant example of such a terrible rule never mind the ref not signalling clearly

Patsy dropped it / placed it on the ground instead of handing it back.

[JE23]

Evidence is clear, he is on the line and its a 2 pointer. If you do or don't award something as a ref, it needs to be clear cut. This is evidence that it was not. essentially the ref effected the result. Not saying this was deliberate, but it should have been 2 pts, lets face it its unambiguous.

He also did give Slaughtneil a 2 pointer free (which Sammy put over) where Tad had clearly touched the ball on the ground just before the Newbridge foul.

As others have mentioned, he did get a few wrong. I'm not sure he's the man for a senior semi final.

I've been on this board a few years now and I've seen this about almost every ref in the county, is there anyone actually capable?

They're all going to make errors obviously, but I think we do have some decent referees. Certainly a lot of referees that are much better than McErlean. Barry Cassidy, Benny Quinn, Dan Mullan and Gavin Dixon are all solid referees at for senior club level, and we also have a few very good young referees that will hopefully be getting these types of games in the near future, e.g. Caolan Hazlett and Eoin Connolly.

[Brendan]

Evidence is clear, he is on the line and its a 2 pointer. If you do or don't award something as a ref, it needs to be clear cut. This is evidence that it was not. essentially the ref effected the result. Not saying this was deliberate, but it should have been 2 pts, lets face it its unambiguous.

He also did give Slaughtneil a 2 pointer free (which Sammy put over) where Tad had clearly touched the ball on the ground just before the Newbridge foul.

As others have mentioned, he did get a few wrong. I'm not sure he's the man for a senior semi final.

I've been on this board a few years now and I've seen this about almost every ref in the county, is there anyone actually capable?

They're all going to make errors obviously, but I think we do have some decent referees. Certainly a lot of referees that are much better than McErlean. Barry Cassidy, Benny Quinn, Dan Mullan and Gavin Dixon are all solid referees at for senior club level, and we also have a few very good young referees that will hopefully be getting these types of games in the near future, e.g. Caolan Hazlett and Eoin Connolly.

Without naming fellas I've seen some shocking performances this year from ones named there including simple things like getting the wrong scoreline. Also are Dan and Gavin even still on the scene?

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Gavin is
Haven't heard Dan's name mentioned as good while tbh

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Should have been a 2 pointer. As I say the ref needs to be absolutely sure it is, or is not. The evidence supports it should have a been a two pointer. The balance of probability is in S'neils favour here.

The ref doesn't even point what way the foul was on the infraction is given. That is such an incredible penalty for S'neil to have suffered. The ball broke, a s'neil player gets the break, the Newbridge player hits and the ball spills and the ref penalises s'neil, and as I said no hand signal to indicate his decision. The s'neil player who won the break concentration was on getting the ball. A brilliant example of such a terrible rule never mind the ref not signalling clearly

Patsy dropped it / placed it on the ground instead of handing it back.

I'd disagree. Looked very much like he had it knocked out of his hands. Add it to Shane McGuigans 2 pointer that wasn't given Slaughtneil have every right to be unhappy with the referee with how the game ended.

[GTP]

The rule is a player who commits a foul while in possession must hand the ball back to the nearest opponent in a prompt and respectful manner. Patsy didn't commit a foul whilst in possession so didnt have to hand the ball back. He did delay the free being taken so there is probably justification to bring the free forward. You can disagree with the outcome but since we dont really know why it was moved you can't say it was definitely wrong. The two point arc is going to cause plenty of controversy, with Shane inside the arc with his back foot on the line it didn't look like a 2 pointer as the kick looks to be taken inside the arc. A pretty difficult call for anyone to make. 
Don't think any conspiracy against S'Neil just didn't have quite enough over the 60 mins.

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https://x.com/McCoyNiall/status/1977687674904510799

Should have been a 2 pointer. As I say the ref needs to be absolutely sure it is, or is not. The evidence supports it should have a been a two pointer. The balance of probability is in S'neils favour here.

The ref doesn't even point what way the foul was on the infraction is given. That is such an incredible penalty for S'neil to have suffered. The ball broke, a s'neil player gets the break, the Newbridge player hits and the ball spills and the ref penalises s'neil, and as I said no hand signal to indicate his decision. The s'neil player who won the break concentration was on getting the ball. A brilliant example of such a terrible rule never mind the ref not signalling clearly

Patsy dropped it / placed it on the ground instead of handing it back.

I'd disagree. Looked very much like he had it knocked out of his hands. Add it to Shane McGuigans 2 pointer that wasn't given Slaughtneil have every right to be unhappy with the referee with how the game ended.

Very pro slaughtneil post here when you don't mention the obvious off the ground from tad for sammys 2 point free.

Swings and roundabouts when you consider the few calls against lavey in the QF in front of the tg4 cameras.

[jb77]

Slaughtneil were still given an extra minute to do something and they kicked a wide