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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2017, 12:12:48 AM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?

He said pay rises are not happening ? Cheerleader much?
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« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2017, 12:36:58 AM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?

He said pay rises are not happening ? Cheerleader much?

That might have been a simplification. I imagine he was referring to his previous point that pay rises, in general, were not keeping pace with inflation. Of course, some people have done fine either because of their job or because they had an element of promotion along the way.
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« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2017, 12:48:32 AM »
It is not the conditions that are most important but the fear of the alternative.

For example Tories will point out that the conditions are due to Labour mismanagement of the economy and leaving the deficit.  labour has a leader who is incompetent, no experience of government and will further bankrupt the country.

Brexit is accepted by the English and they want a good deal, who will deliver it.

Media will rip Corbyn apart and McDonnell with him.

Although I agree with you on how things are portrayed I had an article passed on to me prior to the last general election. It seems that the amount borrowed by the UK during austerity in the Cameron conservative government was the same as the total borrowed during the Blair and Brown governments. Talk of cutting the deficit is in general crap. All that is happening is that the amount being borrowed is increasing year on year at a decreasing rate. If we ran our own budgets like that we would soon be bankrupt!

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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2017, 02:47:30 AM »
According to the Telegraph.......

'Theresa May is likely to take part in a question and answer session in front a television audience before the general election after she was heavily criticised by her opponents for refusing to debate with them.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/19/bbc-itv-collision-course-theresa-may-say-will-hold-televised/
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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2017, 07:44:15 AM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?

He said pay rises are not happening ? Cheerleader much?

That might have been a simplification. I imagine he was referring to his previous point that pay rises, in general, were not keeping pace with inflation. Of course, some people have done fine either because of their job or because they had an element of promotion along the way.

I think you imagined wrong, like Seafoid did, pay rises have increased for some stayed the same for others, been like that long before brexit, 2008 was the crash....people adapt their spending based on their earnings, and it seems people are spending
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« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2017, 08:04:23 AM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?

He said pay rises are not happening ? Cheerleader much?

That might have been a simplification. I imagine he was referring to his previous point that pay rises, in general, were not keeping pace with inflation. Of course, some people have done fine either because of their job or because they had an element of promotion along the way.

I think you imagined wrong, like Seafoid did, pay rises have increased for some stayed the same for others, been like that long before brexit, 2008 was the crash....people adapt their spending based on their earnings, and it seems people are spending
If earnings minus inflation are 15% lower than in  2008 there aren't enough payrises to support spending growth. Debt fills the gap.
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« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2017, 08:43:13 AM »
Debt is keeping spending going, but how well is that going to work out?
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« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2017, 09:24:46 AM »
Debt is keeping spending going, but how well is that going to work out?
Debt either has to be paid off or rolled over.
Without those payrises I wouldn't be very optimistic

I was looking at Debenhams shares. They are down 50% over the last while. Debenhams shoppers are not doing very well.
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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2017, 09:55:17 AM »
Debt is keeping spending going, but how well is that going to work out?
Debt either has to be paid off or rolled over.
Without those payrises I wouldn't be very optimistic

I was looking at Debenhams shares. They are down 50% over the last while. Debenhams shoppers are not doing very well.

Tesco is recovering, has returned profits since that big loss in 2015
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« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2017, 09:56:23 AM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.

Not everyone can be a doctor

Straight out of the tory phrasebook.  No, but everyone can be a reasonably paid administrator/labourer/binman/home help.  The profits at the minute are being sent to the C-suite and shareholders and not distributed to the normal man (woman).

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« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2017, 09:58:09 AM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.

Not everyone can be a doctor

Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Grow up.

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« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2017, 11:10:00 AM »
Debt is keeping spending going, but how well is that going to work out?
Debt either has to be paid off or rolled over.
Without those payrises I wouldn't be very optimistic

I was looking at Debenhams shares. They are down 50% over the last while. Debenhams shoppers are not doing very well.

Tesco is recovering, has returned profits since that big loss in 2015
Do it over 3 years. It doesn't look great
http://m.lse.co.uk/markets/shareprice/charts.asp?share=TSCO

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« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2017, 01:30:42 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/20/general-election-2017-corbyn-speech-greens-launch-politics-live

Corbyn says Labour has set out its Brexit policy. It wants

tariff-free access to the single market.

Walking away, and trading under WTO rules, would mean manufacturing in this country would be severely damaged.

Threatening to turn the UK into a tax haven “is not a sensible way of negotiating”, he says.

He says he has held talks with fellow European socialist parties.

He accepts the result of the referendum. But we still have to work with Europe, he says.

Corbyn refuses to rule out a second referendum on Brexit.
Q: [From the BBC’s Martha Kearney] You have outlined a number of policies recently. Do you worry that your policies are popular, but that Labour has become a tainted brand?

He says people in the audience are wearing Keir Hardie badges. He was vilified when he was first elected. Anyone who stands up to create a decent party gets vilified. But he will continue to stand up for decency and ordinary people.

This gets a huge round of applause. It is a very effective soundbite.
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« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2017, 02:05:34 PM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?

He said pay rises are not happening ? Cheerleader much?

That might have been a simplification. I imagine he was referring to his previous point that pay rises, in general, were not keeping pace with inflation. Of course, some people have done fine either because of their job or because they had an element of promotion along the way.

I think you imagined wrong, like Seafoid did, pay rises have increased for some stayed the same for others, been like that long before brexit, 2008 was the crash....people adapt their spending based on their earnings, and it seems people are spending

Pay rises might be happening in the civil service but not much in the private sector
I haven't spoke to anyone who is self employed or runs a small business that is better off compared to 11 years ago
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« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2017, 02:21:36 PM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?

He said pay rises are not happening ? Cheerleader much?
At the level.of the UK economy they basically are not. The economy isn't working for people if the overall level of payrises is lower than inflation. Big deal if 2 or 3 examples got something. Companies are holding back on payrises to pay bonuses and dividends.
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