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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1635 on: July 22, 2019, 11:25:22 AM »
Agree with the above, Tyrone supporters can't just jump on the 46a to make a game. Dublin  need to be taken out of Croke Park, they also need to be split in 4.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1636 on: July 22, 2019, 11:29:26 AM »
Agree with you Benny :o :D
These new tighter schedules (and expanded Quarter  Finals) were bound to impact on people's pockets and attendances.
 Mind you if  the proposed Tier 2 comes in Tyrone will only have 2 Qualifier Rounds to play next year......
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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« Reply #1637 on: July 22, 2019, 11:33:27 AM »
Agree. I was there on Saturday and it was a poor attendence, at half time of the Dublin match a lot of the neutrals left, big gaps in the stands.

The concept of the Super 8s is good, We we need to introduce back the QF Knockouts.

Provional winners straight to QF, Qualifier route put into groups, top 2 each group plays the quarters against the provional winners.

There wont be 500 people at Cork V Roscommon.
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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1638 on: July 22, 2019, 11:51:14 AM »
Why is this game being played?

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« Reply #1639 on: July 22, 2019, 12:11:27 PM »
Why is this game being played?

Valid Question.

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« Reply #1640 on: July 22, 2019, 12:18:21 PM »
Why is this game being played?

I really pity the two squads for having to delay holidays for another two weeks for a nothing game. Are the two club leagues going to be back in operation now or are they delayed?

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« Reply #1641 on: July 22, 2019, 12:18:52 PM »
Why is this game being played?

Money for the Cork county board.

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« Reply #1642 on: July 22, 2019, 12:22:01 PM »
Why is this game being played?
You can't not play the game even though the result won't affect the league table. If a teams win the league in ANY sport before the season finishes do they just cancel all the remaining matches as the title has been won reagardless?

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« Reply #1643 on: July 22, 2019, 12:26:08 PM »
If it's a percentage of the gate Cork wont get the price of heating the water.
Billy Keane makes a good point in the Independent --
Cost €25 to stand in the Provincial grounds plus long costly round trips for the visitors.
Meanwhile the cost for Dubs on Hill 16 was €20 plus maybe €2 or €3 travel.
Assuming 4k Dubs went on the Terrace it's a subsidy of €20,000 to Dublin per game.
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« Reply #1644 on: July 22, 2019, 12:28:10 PM »
Why is this game being played?
You can't not play the game even though the result won't affect the league table. If a teams win the league in ANY sport before the season finishes do they just cancel all the remaining matches as the title has been won reagardless?

Promotion and relagation reasons, this one does not apply here.

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« Reply #1645 on: July 22, 2019, 12:38:33 PM »
Why is this game being played?
You can't not play the game even though the result won't affect the league table. If a teams win the league in ANY sport before the season finishes do they just cancel all the remaining matches as the title has been won reagardless?
Most of those leagues will still have something riding on them, be it relegation issues or prize money (Premier League etc.) or draft placings and so on. Granted in the likes of the World Cup you might get this scenario but then the tickets for those games would have been long since sold and possibly sold out, so there's going to be a large crowd at it even if there's nothing to play for in reality. That's not exactly going to be an issue in Cork on Saturday week.

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« Reply #1646 on: July 22, 2019, 12:50:07 PM »
If it's a percentage of the gate Cork wont get the price of heating the water.
Billy Keane makes a good point in the Independent --
Cost €25 to stand in the Provincial grounds plus long costly round trips for the visitors.
Meanwhile the cost for Dubs on Hill 16 was €20 plus maybe €2 or €3 travel.
Assuming 4k Dubs went on the Terrace it's a subsidy of €20,000 to Dublin per game.

It is a good point.

On the flip side, there is a load of country folk living in Dublin from all counties, and when your team comes to town its good for them also, if not that often, but the likes of Mayo, Tyrone and Kerry fans get a lot of games in Croker yearly in championship. I never hear this being mentioned.



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« Reply #1647 on: July 22, 2019, 02:13:33 PM »
Tyrone have played 5 weeks in a row. Fans would have had to travel to Longford, Kildare, Clones, Roscommon and then Dublin. That’s a lot of expense to put on fans. Plus ticket prices are too high.

Expecting fans to travel 5 weeks in a row (plus 2 more in the next 2 weeks) is taking the piss.
do you want the GAA to win the war against rugby in Cherrywood or not ?
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« Reply #1648 on: July 22, 2019, 03:56:34 PM »
It's sad to say it but going to Croker for a game used to be an experience, something to savour, to look forward to and really soak up. Now it's a slog for all but the biggest games. Even Dublin fans used to only get playing in it for Leinster finals, AI semis and finals. Now it's week in and week out even for them to go watch a team that they already know in 95% of games will win at a canter. What's special about that?

For me the Super8 can be good but it really has to be made fairer. A good start this year was having the teams that won their province playing at home in the first leg. he next obvious thing is to take all the neutral games out of Corker, do away with the double headers and have them in neutral county grounds which will make a massive difference to those towns across the country and get use from all these white elephant grounds that are rarely if ever used at the moment.

The timing of them also needs to be looked at. Using Tyrone as an example here but the schedule for our players and fans has been really tough this year. If we make the AI then that's 11 games of championship football this summer. We've played 5 weeks in a row all games on the road, Longford, Kildare, Clones, Roscommon and Dublin. If I was going to each of those games with the wife and 2 kids then that would have cost me €300 in tickets, about €200 in diesel, and you'd easily say another €300 odd in incidentals, programs, bite to eat etc. That's a lot of money and too much for a lot of people to justify especially with another 2 games guaranteed now in another 2 weeks. Not sure much can be done there but if neutral grounds half way between the two counties were used then travel costs would be split.

Finally  proposal to make the groups a bit fairer would be to use a seeding system for the 2 qualifers in the groups..

This could work as follows. Dublin in one group and Roscommon are in one group. They would get the 1st and 3rd ranked teams through round four.

That would give a group of.
Dubs,
Rossies
Tyrone
Meath

And another group of.
Kerry
Donegal
Mayo
Cork

With the qualifiers this year it doesn't make much difference to the groups but over time I think this would be fairer.

Nb I used this ranking table which I find great from the end of the R4 qualifiers. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110650184&postcount=923

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« Reply #1649 on: July 22, 2019, 04:11:19 PM »
It's sad to say it but going to Croker for a game used to be an experience, something to savour, to look forward to and really soak up. Now it's a slog for all but the biggest games. Even Dublin fans used to only get playing in it for Leinster finals, AI semis and finals. Now it's week in and week out even for them to go watch a team that they already know in 95% of games will win at a canter. What's special about that?

For me the Super8 can be good but it really has to be made fairer. A good start this year was having the teams that won their province playing at home in the first leg. he next obvious thing is to take all the neutral games out of Corker, do away with the double headers and have them in neutral county grounds which will make a massive difference to those towns across the country and get use from all these white elephant grounds that are rarely if ever used at the moment.

The timing of them also needs to be looked at. Using Tyrone as an example here but the schedule for our players and fans has been really tough this year. If we make the AI then that's 11 games of championship football this summer. We've played 5 weeks in a row all games on the road, Longford, Kildare, Clones, Roscommon and Dublin. If I was going to each of those games with the wife and 2 kids then that would have cost me €300 in tickets, about €200 in diesel, and you'd easily say another €300 odd in incidentals, programs, bite to eat etc. That's a lot of money and too much for a lot of people to justify especially with another 2 games guaranteed now in another 2 weeks. Not sure much can be done there but if neutral grounds half way between the two counties were used then travel costs would be split.

Finally  proposal to make the groups a bit fairer would be to use a seeding system for the 2 qualifers in the groups..

This could work as follows. Dublin in one group and Roscommon are in one group. They would get the 1st and 3rd ranked teams through round four.

That would give a group of.
Dubs,
Rossies
Tyrone
Meath

And another group of.
Kerry
Donegal
Mayo
Cork

With the qualifiers this year it doesn't make much difference to the groups but over time I think this would be fairer.

Nb I used this ranking table which I find great from the end of the R4 qualifiers. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110650184&postcount=923

Would Dublin not be fairly half way/neutral for Tyrone/Cork and Kerry/Donegal? It would have been a logical enough choice for Mayo Meath too given a lot of Mayo people are based in Dublin. The Tyrone Cork game would have attracted a poor crowd wherever it was played. And I don't think the other two games I mentioned would have got as many people if played as two stand alone games somewhere outside Croke Park.