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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1620 on: July 19, 2019, 02:58:28 PM »
Don't know that there's any point in setting up a thread for the Donegal-Kerry game this weekend ....

Main news from Donegal is that Eoin Ban Gallagher is out for the rest of the year with a broken ankle sustained in training. Bitterly disappointing for a young man that was showing all-star form, as well as being very damaging to our prospects in the Super-8's.

Similar to last year when the loss of Paddy McBrearty made our Super-8 challenge even bigger.

Can't understand that attitude. We have a lot of cover in the half back department & while Eoghan Ban is a big loss I would be a lot more worried if we lost Patton, Murphy, Jamie or Paddy.

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« Reply #1621 on: July 19, 2019, 03:34:43 PM »
Don't know that there's any point in setting up a thread for the Donegal-Kerry game this weekend ....

Main news from Donegal is that Eoin Ban Gallagher is out for the rest of the year with a broken ankle sustained in training. Bitterly disappointing for a young man that was showing all-star form, as well as being very damaging to our prospects in the Super-8's.

Similar to last year when the loss of Paddy McBrearty made our Super-8 challenge even bigger.

I don't think he's as big a loss as Paddy was though.

McBrearty is irreplaceable. At least we have other men, albeit much less accomplished, who can come in and use speed and ball-carrying ability to try to break lines. This is a big chance for the likes of O'Baoill or Eoin McHugh.

Can't wait for this game. We'll know where we stand after this!

Not, not as big a loss as Paddy but still ... our pattern of attacking play is patient lateral movement of the ball looking for someone to break the line at pace - this is usually Ryan or Ban and I think we'll miss him greatly because of that. Eoin has the pace but his decision making can be poor, while O'Baoill hasn't lived up to expectations this summer.

Agree that this will be the game that tells us where we're at. Should be a good one.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1622 on: July 19, 2019, 03:36:35 PM »
Don't know that there's any point in setting up a thread for the Donegal-Kerry game this weekend ....

Main news from Donegal is that Eoin Ban Gallagher is out for the rest of the year with a broken ankle sustained in training. Bitterly disappointing for a young man that was showing all-star form, as well as being very damaging to our prospects in the Super-8's.

Similar to last year when the loss of Paddy McBrearty made our Super-8 challenge even bigger.

Can't understand that attitude. We have a lot of cover in the half back department & while Eoghan Ban is a big loss I would be a lot more worried if we lost Patton, Murphy, Jamie or Paddy.

As I mentioned to J70, I don't see the cover being able to contribute as Ban had this year.

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« Reply #1623 on: July 21, 2019, 01:22:37 PM »
Time to scrap this league format in the middle of a championship. Was never a fan to begin with but itís even worse than I thought no matter how hard the media tries to hype the games up.

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« Reply #1624 on: July 21, 2019, 01:30:48 PM »
Time to scrap this league format in the middle of a championship. Was never a fan to begin with but itís even worse than I thought no matter how hard the media tries to hype the games up.

Wonder would Tyrone take second place now if they could skip the Dublin game. Can't see any incentive to winning it, there's no preference between Kerry and Donegal.

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« Reply #1625 on: July 21, 2019, 01:32:03 PM »
The hurling has the right system. Round robin at the beginning followed by straight knock out games.

The football has this bolted on round robin system at the latter end of the championship.

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« Reply #1626 on: July 21, 2019, 01:37:12 PM »
The hurling has the right system. Round robin at the beginning followed by straight knock out games.

The football has this bolted on round robin system at the latter end of the championship.

Hurling has 6-8 teams who could win and a fresh set of semi finalists
every year. Football has one Paris St Germain with a few maybes and the rest straggling
It does not have 8 teams who can compete
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« Reply #1627 on: July 22, 2019, 08:51:50 AM »
funny that when asked to change the Croke Park round to a Neutral round for Year 2, they said: Can't do that, it's a 3 year trial and can't make any changes before then.

When asked to change the first round of Super 8 from the Croke Park round to the Provincial Winners at home round they said: Yep, no problem.

Not sure whether there's any hope of changing the Croke Park round to a neutral round next year, but they should also make the change that if 2 teams from the same group win in Week 1, then they should play each other in Week 2. Will mean that the group will definitely be alive for Week 3.

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« Reply #1628 on: July 22, 2019, 09:01:37 AM »
if 2 teams from the same group win in Week 1, then they should play each other in Week 2. Will mean that the group will definitely be alive for Week 3.
That makes sense.
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« Reply #1629 on: July 22, 2019, 09:41:42 AM »
Time to scrap this league format in the middle of a championship. Was never a fan to begin with but itís even worse than I thought no matter how hard the media tries to hype the games up.

I think people want to give out about these games no matter what. There has been a lot of good football played over the last few weeks and more entertainment than the quarter finals provided in a lot of the years previously. Yes there will be some dead rubber games in the last round under the format but there is more good games than previously to make up for it. Kerry Donegal yesterday was a brilliant match and although Cork and Meath haven't caused any upsets they have competed a lot better than was expected of them. Set up nicely for a great finish in Castlebar in two weeks time.

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« Reply #1630 on: July 22, 2019, 09:47:09 AM »
Super 8s need to be restructured or scrapped. The scheduling is terrible - teams coming through qualifiers playing up to 5 weeks in a row (not allowing for replays), then the semi-final is the weekend following the last round. There should be at least a week off before the semi-final.
It's also unfair and demeaning that provincial champions like Roscommon, who had to beat two Div 1 sides away from home to win their province, can end their season having to play out a meaningless game in Pairc Ui Rinn.
At this stage, I'd favour the knock-out QFs in a provincial ground.
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« Reply #1631 on: July 22, 2019, 10:12:36 AM »
Move the QFs to Clones, portlaoise, Salthill, Killarney etc. I am sick to the back teeth of double headers infront of a quarter full croke park with zero atmosphere. It makes the sport look so bad.

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« Reply #1632 on: July 22, 2019, 10:33:23 AM »
Super 8s need to be restructured or scrapped. The scheduling is terrible - teams coming through qualifiers playing up to 5 weeks in a row (not allowing for replays), then the semi-final is the weekend following the last round. There should be at least a week off before the semi-final.
It's also unfair and demeaning that provincial champions like Roscommon, who had to beat two Div 1 sides away from home to win their province, can end their season having to play out a meaningless game in Pairc Ui Rinn.
At this stage, I'd favour the knock-out QFs in a provincial ground.

The format this year actually probably gave Roscommon a better chance of making a semi final than the old format. The key game in the group for them was against Tyrone and they got it as a home match as opposed to Croke Park. They then got a second chance that they wouldn't previously have gotten. Unfortunately it was against the Dubs but their dominance is more of an issue than the format.

Dublin should not be getting two games in Croke Park though, that bit is a farce. Croke Park was the right venue for yesterdays double header but there was a poor crowd in on Saturday. Though no matter where Tyrone Cork was played it would have been a poor crowd (Portlaois was empty for the second half of the game last year with no atmosphere) and Croke Park was fairly neutral distance wise.

I think people are forgetting that there was regularly quarter final double headers with poor crowds depending on the pairings and there was regular hammerings. There have been big winning margins in this years super 8s but most games have been very competitive right up until the last 10 minutes. And the football on offer has been much more attacking than a few years back.

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« Reply #1633 on: July 22, 2019, 10:42:49 AM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-flex-muscle-to-guide-roscommon-towards-exit-door-1.3963065
"Has the GAA spawned a monster? Itís a question will become more pressing as Dublinís unbeaten streak continues.

Just over a decade ago, Dublin and Tyrone drew a crowd of 81,000 for a league game which marked the first game under floodlights at Croke Park. Both counties featured here in an All-Ireland quarter final series which attracted just 36,000. Those figures arenít encouraging and deepen the conviction that if this Super 8s concept is to become permanent, the games need to be held in more compact grounds"

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« Reply #1634 on: July 22, 2019, 11:06:28 AM »
Tyrone have played 5 weeks in a row. Fans would have had to travel to Longford, Kildare, Clones, Roscommon and then Dublin. Thatís a lot of expense to put on fans. Plus ticket prices are too high.

Expecting fans to travel 5 weeks in a row (plus 2 more in the next 2 weeks) is taking the piss.