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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #825 on: March 13, 2018, 10:58:13 AM »
Assuming that Dublin will qualify for the super 8's and assuming that they will also qualify for the semi final, is there any incentive for any team to even try to beat them in the super 8's?

I'm not sure who will be in the group with Dublin, but even if Mayo or Kerry are in the group with Dublin is there any real incentive for winning the game? (unless it's the last game in the group and you need the points!)
Take Mayo, for example. If Mayo beat dublin in the super 8's then they'll probably finish ahead of Dublin in the group and therefore have an easier (in theory) semi final. But they'll end up meeting Dublin in the final again, except this time you've given Dublin a revenge mission and you've shown them how there are beatable.

I can see the teams in Dublin's group just rolling over (resting players etc.) against the dubs and then going all out to win the other two games! Then trying to catch Dublin in the final (or hope they lose the semi final)!

In fairness the other super 8 group could have great games.

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« Reply #826 on: March 13, 2018, 11:09:13 AM »
Think the structure is Munster & Connacht champions along with the losers from the Leinster & Ulster finals should they win their round 4 qualifier in one group.

I think they've done away with the A & B side of the qualifiers but will there their be anything in place to try and avoid a repeat pairing of a provincial game in one of the groups?

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #827 on: March 13, 2018, 11:13:50 AM »
My point is , a competition has to have rules, guidelines .


What is the name of Dublins official home ground ?

Do counties have to name a homeground or can they play it anywhere they choose ?

Home game : does that mean the distribution of tickets is controlled by the home county ?

Can the public see the guidelines for this new competition format?
You are missing the point that it wasn't Dublin who came up with this.

The vast majority of counties think that if you win your provincial championship, you deserve at least 1 game in Croker. Hence the decision that games between the provincial champions must be played in Croke Park in the Super 8s. It actually makes sense.

Leinster champions have always played their QF in Croke Park, the Super 8 does not change that. 

If Kildare or Meath won Leinster, then Dublin would only get 1 game in Croker in the Super 8. Again why Kildare and Meath fell so far behind Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone is for another debate. Dublin's fault according to the Kildare lads. Though I do believe Kildare are finally going in the right direction.

The mistake the GAA have made, and it'll probably take a year into it before the authorities cop onto it, is that the provincial champions play their away games last. Therefore, there's a chance the provincial champions away game will be a dead rubber. So cue uproar if Dublin win 2 games in Croker and have an away game that is of totally no consequence.

The order should be Provincial champions match up first, then provincial champions play away, then in 3rd match they play at home.

(The other side of the coin is that if there happens to be something riding on the last of the Super 8 games, the current scenario would have Dublin outside Croker for it, so that might have been the intention and that would be very interesting - for example if Mayo got another draw against us in Croker, and our third game ended up being a trip to Donegal or Tyrone, with Dublin needing at least a draw to progress).

I find it hilarious that people think that the additional "back door" element of the Super 8 is for Dublin's benefit. Unlike Kerry, Mayo, Cork, Galway, etc, we've never made an All Ireland final through the back door. Did nobody see that Mayo playing ever week last year improved them! Would Mayo and Kerry not have liked an additional attempt at beating us in the last 3 years? 

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #828 on: March 13, 2018, 11:26:56 AM »
My point is , a competition has to have rules, guidelines .


What is the name of Dublins official home ground ?

Do counties have to name a homeground or can they play it anywhere they choose ?

Home game : does that mean the distribution of tickets is controlled by the home county ?

Can the public see the guidelines for this new competition format?
You are missing the point that it wasn't Dublin who came up with this.

The vast majority of counties think that if you win your provincial championship, you deserve at least 1 game in Croker. Hence the decision that games between the provincial champions must be played in Croke Park in the Super 8s. It actually makes sense.

Leinster champions have always played their QF in Croke Park, the Super 8 does not change that. 

If Kildare or Meath won Leinster, then Dublin would only get 1 game in Croker in the Super 8. Again why Kildare and Meath fell so far behind Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone is for another debate. Dublin's fault according to the Kildare lads. Though I do believe Kildare are finally going in the right direction.

The mistake the GAA have made, and it'll probably take a year into it before the authorities cop onto it, is that the provincial champions play their away games last. Therefore, there's a chance the provincial champions away game will be a dead rubber. So cue uproar if Dublin win 2 games in Croker and have an away game that is of totally no consequence.

The order should be Provincial champions match up first, then provincial champions play away, then in 3rd match they play at home.

(The other side of the coin is that if there happens to be something riding on the last of the Super 8 games, the current scenario would have Dublin outside Croker for it, so that might have been the intention and that would be very interesting - for example if Mayo got another draw against us in Croker, and our third game ended up being a trip to Donegal or Tyrone, with Dublin needing at least a draw to progress).

I find it hilarious that people think that the additional "back door" element of the Super 8 is for Dublin's benefit. Unlike Kerry, Mayo, Cork, Galway, etc, we've never made an All Ireland final through the back door. Did nobody see that Mayo playing ever week last year improved them! Would Mayo and Kerry not have liked an additional attempt at beating us in the last 3 years?
It's good to see an alternative view.

My understanding of it is that the two provincial champions in each group will play off first in Croke Park. The theory being that one will lose and one of the two weaker teams will win the other game which is an attempt to lessen the likelihood of the awful, awful dead rubber.

You'r actually right about Dublin not winning Leinster which I wasn't aware of.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #829 on: March 13, 2018, 11:44:31 AM »
If Dublin don't win Leinster but make the last 8 won't they still have 2 games in Croke Pk?
Their "neutral" and home game?
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« Reply #830 on: March 13, 2018, 11:58:54 AM »
If Dublin don't win Leinster but make the last 8 won't they still have 2 games in Croke Pk?
Their "neutral" and home game?
Yes, sorry, that's what I thought initially but Hound very easily convinced me I was wrong.

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« Reply #831 on: March 13, 2018, 04:27:31 PM »
Ye have me confused.
Don't the non Provincial Champions in the groups get a home game too??
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« Reply #832 on: March 13, 2018, 04:40:55 PM »
Ye have me confused.
Don't the non Provincial Champions in the groups get a home game too??

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Yes they do. Your last post was correct.

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« Reply #833 on: March 13, 2018, 04:57:44 PM »
So Dublin's home game will be in ......... Parnell Park  ;) ;)
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« Reply #834 on: March 13, 2018, 05:12:52 PM »
Ye have me confused now as well!!

Are all the neutral games in croke park?

If not why does dublin's neutral game have to be in croke park (other than crowd size)?

Is everyone who qualifies for super 8's guaranteed one match  (minimum) in croke park?





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« Reply #835 on: March 13, 2018, 05:18:47 PM »
Ye have me confused now as well!!

Are all the neutral games in croke park?
No mention of neutral games. Everyone will get one game in Croke Park

If not why does dublin's neutral game have to be in croke park (other than crowd size)?
See above

Is everyone who qualifies for super 8's guaranteed one match  (minimum) in croke park?
Yes

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« Reply #836 on: March 13, 2018, 05:25:49 PM »
Round 1 games are in Croke Park...provincial champions play each other and team 3 plays team 4.

Is round two (home game for provincial champions) the winners of round 1 playing each other?


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« Reply #837 on: March 13, 2018, 05:32:12 PM »
I'm under the impression that either the losers of Connacht & Munster should they win their R4 game will play 2 games in Croker; One as a neutral venue and other will be because of Dublins home game.

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« Reply #838 on: March 13, 2018, 05:42:09 PM »
Thanks for that input hound and I understand its not Dublin making up the rules .

Can I just have the name of Dublins home ground ?
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« Reply #839 on: March 13, 2018, 05:50:23 PM »
I'm under the impression that either the losers of Connacht & Munster should they win their R4 game will play 2 games in Croker; One as a neutral venue and other will be because of Dublins home game.

No neutral venues in Super 8.  Round 1 games will both be in Croke Park (provincial champs play each other).  Round 2 games will be at provincial winners home.  Round 3 games will be hosted by teams 3 and 4 (the beaten provincial finalist or the team that beat them in the last round of qualifiers).

Is round 2 the winners of round 1 meeting?