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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1470 on: July 18, 2018, 01:54:03 PM »
If there are dead rubbers I wonder will there be an appetite for the fans to go? Or just the hardcore supporters.
Those at head office will probably still think things are wonderful regardless and may even bring in a Super 4 for the last 4 with the top two in the group reaching the All Ireland final imagine that..
I hate peeing on anybody’s parade and I'd love to see see some merit in the present series of matches but round robin games don’t fit easily into a championship structure and the Super 8s are no exception.
This weekend Kerry will play Monaghan in Clones. How many Kerry fans will make the long trek northwards? I can’t see hordes of Donegal fans converging on the Hyde either and I feel that most Roscommon supporters will be afraid to turn up and pay good money to see their hopes annihilated. No insult intended to the Rossies here but it will be the shock of the century if they manage to beat a team that has to win to stay in the race for Sam.
Kildare and Galway may get a fair crowd but that’s relative since the ground isn’t up to intercounty standard and a sell out crowd will mean less than 10,000.
I know I'm  nitpicking here but the issues I am talking about should have been obvious to all before a ball was thrown in in any game.

Go back to your armchair psychoanalysis of posters and leave the football talk to the counties still in the championship.

Do you think roscommon are actually still in the championship???

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This wasn’t as much of a zinger as you clearly thought it was in your head.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1471 on: July 18, 2018, 02:04:40 PM »
That's the punishment you get for you losing in  your Provincial.

The likes of Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow etc shouldn't be punished for being beaten by teams that are much stronger than them. They should be given more of an opportunity to develop rather than being given 2 games a season. If they are given the chance to develop, who knows, in a few years they could challenge and bring in bigger crowds

Antrim have had 100 years or more to develop. They've a huge population. Giving them more games is not the silver bullet you think it is. Perhaps if they put a bit of work in at youth level and had some sort of plan they might then develop. Giving them more games and them taking huge tankings won't solve underlying fundamental issues that they have.
Leitrim granted are suffocated due to it's size, but barring a huge population surge they will also struggle. Games won't help.

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« Reply #1472 on: July 18, 2018, 02:20:07 PM »
That's the punishment you get for you losing in  your Provincial.

The likes of Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow etc shouldn't be punished for being beaten by teams that are much stronger than them. They should be given more of an opportunity to develop rather than being given 2 games a season. If they are given the chance to develop, who knows, in a few years they could challenge and bring in bigger crowds

Antrim have had 100 years or more to develop. They've a huge population. Giving them more games is not the silver bullet you think it is. Perhaps if they put a bit of work in at youth level and had some sort of plan they might then develop. Giving them more games and them taking huge tankings won't solve underlying fundamental issues that they have.
Leitrim granted are suffocated due to it's size, but barring a huge population surge they will also struggle. Games won't help.

You are right it will no solve it. However, having more than 2 games will be of more benefit to them.

The whole structure needs to change from the league all the way through to the super 8's.

 

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« Reply #1473 on: July 18, 2018, 02:22:27 PM »
That's the punishment you get for you losing in  your Provincial.

The likes of Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow etc shouldn't be punished for being beaten by teams that are much stronger than them. They should be given more of an opportunity to develop rather than being given 2 games a season. If they are given the chance to develop, who knows, in a few years they could challenge and bring in bigger crowds

Antrim have had 100 years or more to develop. They've a huge population. Giving them more games is not the silver bullet you think it is. Perhaps if they put a bit of work in at youth level and had some sort of plan they might then develop. Giving them more games and them taking huge tankings won't solve underlying fundamental issues that they have.
Leitrim granted are suffocated due to it's size, but barring a huge population surge they will also struggle. Games won't help.

You are right it will no solve it. However, having more than 2 games will be of more benefit to them.

The whole structure needs to change from the league all the way through to the super 8's.

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« Reply #1474 on: July 18, 2018, 02:26:11 PM »
That's the punishment you get for you losing in  your Provincial.

The likes of Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow etc shouldn't be punished for being beaten by teams that are much stronger than them. They should be given more of an opportunity to develop rather than being given 2 games a season. If they are given the chance to develop, who knows, in a few years they could challenge and bring in bigger crowds

Antrim have had 100 years or more to develop. They've a huge population. Giving them more games is not the silver bullet you think it is. Perhaps if they put a bit of work in at youth level and had some sort of plan they might then develop. Giving them more games and them taking huge tankings won't solve underlying fundamental issues that they have.
Leitrim granted are suffocated due to it's size, but barring a huge population surge they will also struggle. Games won't help.

You are right it will no solve it. However, having more than 2 games will be of more benefit to them.

The whole structure needs to change from the league all the way through to the super 8's.

The league is fine the best format the GAA have but it needs to be promoted better and made more important.

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« Reply #1475 on: July 18, 2018, 02:49:12 PM »
That's the punishment you get for you losing in  your Provincial.

The likes of Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow etc shouldn't be punished for being beaten by teams that are much stronger than them. They should be given more of an opportunity to develop rather than being given 2 games a season. If they are given the chance to develop, who knows, in a few years they could challenge and bring in bigger crowds

Antrim have had 100 years or more to develop. They've a huge population. Giving them more games is not the silver bullet you think it is. Perhaps if they put a bit of work in at youth level and had some sort of plan they might then develop. Giving them more games and them taking huge tankings won't solve underlying fundamental issues that they have.
Leitrim granted are suffocated due to it's size, but barring a huge population surge they will also struggle. Games won't help.

You are right it will no solve it. However, having more than 2 games will be of more benefit to them.

The whole structure needs to change from the league all the way through to the super 8's.

The league is fine the best format the GAA have but it needs to be promoted better and made more important.


But instead of the league being based on performance it should be on regional location.


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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1476 on: July 18, 2018, 04:06:35 PM »
The League us a pre the real season competition plated by teams in varied stages if preparation,  trying out new lads,  missing club championship players etc.
The Championship is the real thing.
And from the Quarter Finals on it's the even more real thing.
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« Reply #1477 on: July 22, 2018, 02:03:36 AM »
Ok, two more glorified league matches in the tank - has the penny dropped? Even the official program today was talking about how ‘critics panned the first weekend’..
« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 03:12:58 AM by Syferus »

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« Reply #1478 on: July 22, 2018, 02:35:34 AM »
The League us a pre the real season competition plated by teams in varied stages if preparation,  trying out new lads,  missing club championship players etc.
The Championship is the real thing.
And from the Quarter Finals on it's the even more real thing.
Every sport should have at least two top tournaments and that would provide more "real" stuff then for the players and supporters to enjoy. The league is the best format the GAA have and should be made more important. The championship is a cup competition where the story of the underdog going on a run to remember for many years to come should be as important as the team that wins the cup. A round robin for the last eight that will now include dead rubbers is one of the many daft things GAA HQ has brought in and they will now probably try to fix this daftness with more daftness in the years ahead.


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« Reply #1479 on: July 22, 2018, 03:31:26 PM »
This super 8 system is throwing up some classics.

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« Reply #1480 on: July 22, 2018, 05:29:32 PM »
If Super 8’s had been introduced 100 yrs ago, Kerry wouldn’t have won 37 All Irelands.  At least the new format is exposing the unfairness of playing a couple of easy games to get to an All Ireland semi, those days are now over thankfully.

Edit: well done Kerry, still stand by the above :-)
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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #1481 on: July 22, 2018, 05:50:51 PM »
Keep all three rounds away from Croke Park (excluding Dublin home game) and this could work really well.
Is there any way of eliminating dead rubbers?
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« Reply #1482 on: July 22, 2018, 05:53:51 PM »
Two good matches in eight tells its own story.

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« Reply #1483 on: July 22, 2018, 05:57:47 PM »
Keep all three rounds away from Croke Park (excluding Dublin home game) and this could work really well.
Is there any way of eliminating dead rubbers?

We could get apres match to do the analysis at half time in the dead rubbers?
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« Reply #1484 on: July 22, 2018, 06:01:42 PM »
We could yet get a Monaghan v Kerry play-off

Galway beat Monaghan by a point.
Kerry beat Kildare by 4 points.

This would leave both Kerry and Monaghan on 3 points and a score difference of +1
Both sides highest score so far is the 1-17 both scored today (so Kerry and Monaghan would both have to score less than this in their games)
Kerry have scored 2 goals so far and Monaghan have scored 1, so Monaghan would have to get one goal in their loss to Galway and Kerry to get none.

Then play-off.

It's unlikely but not impossible.


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outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the
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 (ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores
against from the Scores for.
 (iii) Highest Total Score For
 (iv) Highest Total Goals For
 (v) A Play-Off.


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