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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2017, 01:47:34 PM »
Not many have gone out of their comfort zone as much as McGuinness has. Comes across a lot more sincerely than most others

Ian Paisley and Peter Robinson when first minister

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2017, 02:07:39 PM »

There are some that think he was a tout, and I mean hard line republicans that think that, I have no idea if he was or was not but he is far from one of Irelands finest.

There are some that think the Queen of England is a Lizard.
I don't trust your sources.

Scores of former senior IRA members claim he is a tout. That much is common knowledge

If 'scores' of provos felt he was a tout then surely he'd be dead? Or have they only come to that conclusion recently? He still lives in the middle of the Bogside FFS.

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 02:19:31 PM »
Insufficient Evidence ... 

Wednesday, April 09, 2014   

Guest writer, Thomas Dixie Elliot with some thoughts on the Provisional IRA's chief of staff from 1978-1982 being able to evade prison time in the North.


The 2nd highest ranking member of PIRA/PSF was never interned. The only time he was arrested and jailed in the North was for a few weeks on an IRA membership charge and the Crown Prosecutor released him saying twice that he was 'instructed' Not to Proceed with the Prosecution due to insufficient evidence ...

However in 1972 McGuinness was filmed twice by British TV crews speaking on behalf of the IRA, one being the famous Tom Mangold interview on Stanleys Walk in which McGuinness was described by Mangold as they walked 'as The Officer Commanding The Derry Part Of The IRA…?' The other time being in May just after the OIRA ceasefire...

Yet in 1976 the Crown Prosecutor said he was 'instructed not to proceed with the prosecution due to insufficient evidence'.

(Who instructed a Crown Prosecutor?)

Again during the Raymond Gilmour supergrass trail many Derry IRA members and Republican activists were arrested but not McGuinness who was free to wander round Derry. According to recently released documents Garret Fitzgerald asked Jim Prior why they didn't use Gilmours evidence to jail McGuinness. Prior said because they had no evidence...

A supergrass names every Republican in Derry yet gives no evidence which could jail Derry and the North's most prominent IRA man?

Today he leads PSF further and further into a humiliating acceptance of Britain's role in the North. He does these things because he knows what they know and are capable of doing if he doesn't...

http://thepensivequill.am/2014/04/insufficient-evidence.html
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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2017, 02:26:55 PM »
Insufficient Evidence ... 

Wednesday, April 09, 2014   

Guest writer, Thomas Dixie Elliot with some thoughts on the Provisional IRA's chief of staff from 1978-1982 being able to evade prison time in the North.


The 2nd highest ranking member of PIRA/PSF was never interned. The only time he was arrested and jailed in the North was for a few weeks on an IRA membership charge and the Crown Prosecutor released him saying twice that he was 'instructed' Not to Proceed with the Prosecution due to insufficient evidence ...

However in 1972 McGuinness was filmed twice by British TV crews speaking on behalf of the IRA, one being the famous Tom Mangold interview on Stanleys Walk in which McGuinness was described by Mangold as they walked 'as The Officer Commanding The Derry Part Of The IRA…?' The other time being in May just after the OIRA ceasefire...

Yet in 1976 the Crown Prosecutor said he was 'instructed not to proceed with the prosecution due to insufficient evidence'.

(Who instructed a Crown Prosecutor?)

Again during the Raymond Gilmour supergrass trail many Derry IRA members and Republican activists were arrested but not McGuinness who was free to wander round Derry. According to recently released documents Garret Fitzgerald asked Jim Prior why they didn't use Gilmours evidence to jail McGuinness. Prior said because they had no evidence...

A supergrass names every Republican in Derry yet gives no evidence which could jail Derry and the North's most prominent IRA man?

Today he leads PSF further and further into a humiliating acceptance of Britain's role in the North. He does these things because he knows what they know and are capable of doing if he doesn't...

http://thepensivequill.am/2014/04/insufficient-evidence.html

Are you using the idea that there was insufficient evidence as evidence for something else?
That makes no sense.
There is always a case for not naming top people in a supergrass trial. If you have to name someone you name the least important people.

Who instructed him? I'd imagine it was the judge.

That last line is a little telling.

There is nothing about being a tout in that. It's left to the reader to come to that conclusion while the writer can claim he never said it.
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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2017, 02:28:49 PM »
Insufficient Evidence ... 

Wednesday, April 09, 2014   

Guest writer, Thomas Dixie Elliot with some thoughts on the Provisional IRA's chief of staff from 1978-1982 being able to evade prison time in the North.


The 2nd highest ranking member of PIRA/PSF was never interned. The only time he was arrested and jailed in the North was for a few weeks on an IRA membership charge and the Crown Prosecutor released him saying twice that he was 'instructed' Not to Proceed with the Prosecution due to insufficient evidence ...

However in 1972 McGuinness was filmed twice by British TV crews speaking on behalf of the IRA, one being the famous Tom Mangold interview on Stanleys Walk in which McGuinness was described by Mangold as they walked 'as The Officer Commanding The Derry Part Of The IRA…?' The other time being in May just after the OIRA ceasefire...

Yet in 1976 the Crown Prosecutor said he was 'instructed not to proceed with the prosecution due to insufficient evidence'.

(Who instructed a Crown Prosecutor?)

Again during the Raymond Gilmour supergrass trail many Derry IRA members and Republican activists were arrested but not McGuinness who was free to wander round Derry. According to recently released documents Garret Fitzgerald asked Jim Prior why they didn't use Gilmours evidence to jail McGuinness. Prior said because they had no evidence...

A supergrass names every Republican in Derry yet gives no evidence which could jail Derry and the North's most prominent IRA man?

Today he leads PSF further and further into a humiliating acceptance of Britain's role in the North. He does these things because he knows what they know and are capable of doing if he doesn't...

http://thepensivequill.am/2014/04/insufficient-evidence.html
;D
That's deranged horsedung.
Only certified idiots would classify that as anything other than low standard, 100% unsubstantiated waffle.
That's supposed to be evidence that McGuinness was a tout?? ;D

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 02:30:34 PM »
Insufficient Evidence ... 

Wednesday, April 09, 2014   

Guest writer, Thomas Dixie Elliot with some thoughts on the Provisional IRA's chief of staff from 1978-1982 being able to evade prison time in the North.


The 2nd highest ranking member of PIRA/PSF was never interned. The only time he was arrested and jailed in the North was for a few weeks on an IRA membership charge and the Crown Prosecutor released him saying twice that he was 'instructed' Not to Proceed with the Prosecution due to insufficient evidence ...

However in 1972 McGuinness was filmed twice by British TV crews speaking on behalf of the IRA, one being the famous Tom Mangold interview on Stanleys Walk in which McGuinness was described by Mangold as they walked 'as The Officer Commanding The Derry Part Of The IRA…?' The other time being in May just after the OIRA ceasefire...

Yet in 1976 the Crown Prosecutor said he was 'instructed not to proceed with the prosecution due to insufficient evidence'.

(Who instructed a Crown Prosecutor?)

Again during the Raymond Gilmour supergrass trail many Derry IRA members and Republican activists were arrested but not McGuinness who was free to wander round Derry. According to recently released documents Garret Fitzgerald asked Jim Prior why they didn't use Gilmours evidence to jail McGuinness. Prior said because they had no evidence...

A supergrass names every Republican in Derry yet gives no evidence which could jail Derry and the North's most prominent IRA man?

Today he leads PSF further and further into a humiliating acceptance of Britain's role in the North. He does these things because he knows what they know and are capable of doing if he doesn't...

http://thepensivequill.am/2014/04/insufficient-evidence.html

We get it, your not a fan but the posting above is utter nonsense Im afraid..

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 02:49:27 PM »
GHD - a guest contributors article to the pensive quill is something special as a source all right!!
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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2017, 03:08:26 PM »

There are some that think he was a tout, and I mean hard line republicans that think that, I have no idea if he was or was not but he is far from one of Irelands finest.

There are some that think the Queen of England is a Lizard.
I don't trust your sources.

Scores of former senior IRA members claim he is a tout. That much is common knowledge

If 'scores' of provos felt he was a tout then surely he'd be dead? Or have they only come to that conclusion recently? He still lives in the middle of the Bogside FFS.
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From the first time I saw the word tout mentioned on this thread I said the same to myself. If he was a tout he'd be 6 foot under long ago like Denis Donaldson whether rightly or wrongly.

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2017, 03:19:56 PM »
This thread reminds of that quote about "the greatest trick ever pulled by the devil..."

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2017, 03:20:40 PM »
Who else was working for her majesty other than Donaldson and Scappatacci?
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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2017, 03:36:05 PM »
Who else was working for her majesty other than Donaldson and Scappatacci?

I don't know of any others or any as high profile as these two. The fact that Scappaticci is on the run (was living in Italy) would imply that McGuinness isn't suspected of anything or he wouldn't be hanging around Derry.

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2017, 03:36:27 PM »
Who else was working for her majesty other than Donaldson and Scappatacci?

I'd say at the time there were loads of low level guys. Eamonn Collins. Sean O'Callaghan working for the Gardai.
There was a wide range of ways of gathering info from people but not all would be classed in the same level.

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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2017, 03:50:15 PM »
Slogan on wall in Derry
" I knew Raymond Gilmour. Than God he didnt know me"

Whatever about the UUP the DUP have never fully accepted power sharing. They tolerated Paisleys enthusiasm in the knowledge that age was against him. But Paisley was vehemently against Sunningdale power sharing and as a result we had another 20 years of slaughter
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Re: Martin Mc Guinness
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PM »
Slogan on wall in Derry
" I knew Raymond Gilmour. Than God he didnt know me"

Whatever about the UUP the DUP have never fully accepted power sharing. They tolerated Paisleys enthusiasm in the knowledge that age was against him. But Paisley was vehemently against Sunningdale power sharing and as a result we had another 20 years of slaughter
Gilmour died recently
Last of the choc-ices there now

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2017, 04:51:09 PM »
GHD - a guest contributors article to the pensive quill is something special as a source all right!!

Dixie Elliott is a former blanket man from Derry, and someone who knew McGuinness well.

In Republican circles he is a highly respected man, and his views are widely respected.

As a source, he is well placed to have an informed opinion.
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