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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #540 on: January 11, 2017, 01:04:46 PM »
I don't think there will be an election, neither SF or DUP want one, I think we will see this "crisis" averted

Yes, I think it's time to fly them all of to some Royal Holiday home for negotiations. Then they'll all come back with Holyroodhouse Agreement after a weekend of wine and cheese.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #541 on: January 11, 2017, 01:05:36 PM »
Bit of gerrymandering of the figures there TYP?

Given that the Alliance Party fought tooth and nail to get the designation 'other' added to the register in the Belfast Agreement, I think they'd be disappointed that you have taken it upon yourself to label them as unionists.  Poor form.

Really, they are not unionist?  Do they want a united Ireland?

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #542 on: January 11, 2017, 01:18:50 PM »
Bit of gerrymandering of the figures there TYP?

Given that the Alliance Party fought tooth and nail to get the designation 'other' added to the register in the Belfast Agreement, I think they'd be disappointed that you have taken it upon yourself to label them as unionists.  Poor form.

Really, they are not unionist?  Do they want a united Ireland?

They are designated as "other".  They neither aspire to a union with Britain or a UI.

You had an 'others' category but didn't put them into it in order to massage your figures and strengthen your point.  Which is ironic, because deliberately quoting inaccurate numbers means your point has lost all credibility.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #543 on: January 11, 2017, 01:30:42 PM »
Voting in the 2014 European election was based on a single constituency which eliminates any gerrymandering.  This shows how far behind that nationalists are behind in voting parity with unionist.

SF      159,813
DUP      131,163
UUP      83,438
SDLP      81,594
TUV      75,806
Alliance   44,432
UKIP      24,584
Green   10,598
N21      10,553
Cons      4,144


Nationalist      241,407
      
Unionist      374,120
      
Others      10,598



Nationalist      241407      38.6%
            
Unionist      374120      59.8%
            
Others      10598      1.7%

Recorrecting those figures including Alliance as other this is how it stands

Nationalist      241,407 (38.5)

Unionist            319,315 (51.0)

Other               65.583   (10.5)

Of Couse this does not include transfers which could result in lower first choice for all the parties
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #544 on: January 11, 2017, 01:34:18 PM »
Not massaging figures but Alliance are unionists and a majority of their vote is captured in areas where nationalists do not make up a significant number, e.g. East Belfast.  Whether they want to categorise themselves as unionists or not it is purely to create from clear water between themselves and the UUP where they fight for the same vote.  They are occupying seats in the Assembly that would previously have gone to the UUP.

BTW I am not making a point with these figures other than to explain why the unionists have more seats than nationalists, i.e. they can turn out more voters than nationalists. Even adding the Alliance to the other group makes little real difference to a unionist majority of the votes being cast:

SF      159,813
DUP      131,163
UUP      83,438
SDLP      81,594
TUV      75,806
Alliance   44,432
UKIP      24,584
Green   10,598
N21      10,553
Cons      4,144


Nationalist      241,407
      
Unionist      329,688
      
Others      55,030



Nationalist      241,407      38.56%
            
Unionist      329,688      52.66%
            
Others      55,030      8.79%
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Unionists still have more than half the votes cast.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #545 on: January 11, 2017, 01:41:16 PM »
Not massaging figures but Alliance are unionists and a majority of their vote is captured in areas where nationalists do not make up a significant number, e.g. East Belfast.  Whether they want to categorise themselves as unionists or not it is purely to create from clear water between themselves and the UUP where they fight for the same vote.  They are occupying seats in the Assembly that would previously have gone to the UUP.

BTW I am not making a point with these figures other than to explain why the unionists have more seats than nationalists, i.e. they can turn out more voters than nationalists. Even adding the Alliance to the other group makes little real difference to a unionist majority of the votes being cast:

SF      159,813
DUP      131,163
UUP      83,438
SDLP      81,594
TUV      75,806
Alliance   44,432
UKIP      24,584
Green   10,598
N21      10,553
Cons      4,144


Nationalist      241,407
      
Unionist      329,688
      
Others      55,030



Nationalist      241,407      38.56%
            
Unionist      329,688      52.66%
            
Others      55,030      8.79%

Unionists still have more than half the votes cast.
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I'm sorry TYP, but someone who votes for a party which clearly states that they are not unionist, and who's only MEP has declared that she would vote for a UI given the choice cannot be considered a unionist.  No matter how many times you repeat it and no matter how much you'd like it to be so.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #546 on: January 11, 2017, 01:45:00 PM »
Alliance are not a party I consider unionist at all and are in fact one of the party who speak the most sense and probably one of the more progressive parties.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #547 on: January 11, 2017, 01:56:15 PM »
Alliance are not a party I consider unionist at all and are in fact one of the party who speak the most sense and probably one of the more progressive parties.

Whilst I agee that Alliance Party are not Unionist, Anna Lo got into some wile trouble from Belfast thugs for dare staying she wants a UI.
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #548 on: January 11, 2017, 02:02:04 PM »
Yeah I wouldn't be classing Alliance as either really they shouldn't be included with Unionist/Nationalist.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #549 on: January 11, 2017, 02:13:18 PM »

I'm sorry TYP, but someone who votes for a party which clearly states that they are not unionist, and who's only MEP has declared that she would vote for a UI given the choice cannot be considered a unionist.  No matter how many times you repeat it and no matter how much you'd like it to be so.

You might want to read these articles to see that Alliance is a party which supports the Union but does not believe that MLAs should be designated by nationalist or unionist.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2013/09/22/alliance-party-is-it-really-the-belfast-party/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_of_Northern_Ireland#MPs

It could also link to the discussion on the Rory McIlroy thread.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #550 on: January 11, 2017, 02:30:06 PM »
Forgetting about if they support the union or not.


Surely the whole point is to be progressive and pick a party that can run the country right and have the correct ideals in general, surely a party that isnt involved in the whole us vs them is better for the future.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #551 on: January 11, 2017, 02:30:39 PM »
Eight biomass boilers destroyed in Fermanagh shed fire

EIGHT biomass boilers and 14 tonnes of woodchip have been destroyed in a fire at a Co Fermanagh construction firm.

Fire crews from Enniskillen, Irvinestown and Lisnaskea fought the large fire for almost six hours in the early hours of last Friday.

The Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service said on Tuesday that investigations were continuing and it was unable to confirm the cause of the blaze.

A fire service spokesman said it received a call at 2.45am to attend the fire in the Magheradunbar area outside Enniskillen.

“A shed, approximately 20m x 12m, was on fire and contained approximately 14 tonnes of woodchip and eight boilers," he said.

"Firefighters worked to extinguish the fire, however a large quantity of woodchip and the eight boilers were destroyed in the fire. The shed was badly damaged."

“The incident was finished at 8.47am. The cause of the fire is under investigation," the spokesman added.

It is not clear when the eight boilers were installed and whether they had been operating with subsidies from the botched Renewable Heating Incentive scheme.

The PSNI confirmed it received a report from the fire service in relation to the fire, but that there was "no requirement for police to attend".

The fire occurred on premises of Gerald Love Contracts - a family-run business which specialises in projects relating to road surfacing, civil engineering and general construction according to the company website.

The company failed to respond to number of requests for comment both on Monday and Tuesday in relation to the fire

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:taFVlkq5J4QJ:www.irishnews.com/news/2017/01/11/news/eight-biomass-boilers-destroyed-in-fermanagh-shed-fire-878829/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #552 on: January 11, 2017, 02:41:31 PM »
Colum Eastwood is calling for Joint Authority if there is no agreement to set up an Executive.  Two thoughts...1) On that basis I might vote for the SDLP and 2) I wonder what "Vote Mike, Get Colum" Nesbitt makes of that!

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #553 on: January 11, 2017, 02:41:47 PM »
Serious questions need to be asked why they had 8 biomass boilers in that shed, what was their purpose? Forgive cynical old me but there can be only one reason #ashforcash.


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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #554 on: January 11, 2017, 02:43:15 PM »
Serious questions need to be asked why they had 8 biomass boilers in that shed, what was their purpose? Forgive cynical old me but there can be only one reason #ashforcash.

I doubt whether Gerald is a DUP donor mind you!