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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #525 on: January 11, 2017, 12:17:40 AM »
Franko,

2. Does the cost of Britain's wars not lessen the amount allocated to Stormont? So if your tax bill goes up next year because of RHI, what will you do about it? Nothing, that's what. Just like rest of us.

3. So what do you propose we do about it? No amount of pissing and moaning, protesting or tweeting with make any difference. It's their money, not ours. The only way to change anything is follow Mikhail's suggestion.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #526 on: January 11, 2017, 12:38:36 AM »
Franko,

2. Does the cost of Britain's wars not lessen the amount allocated to Stormont? So if your tax bill goes up next year because of RHI, what will you do about it? Nothing, that's what. Just like rest of us.

3. So what do you propose we do about it? No amount of pissing and moaning, protesting or tweeting with make any difference. It's their money, not ours. The only way to change anything is follow Mikhail's suggestion.

Yes, most likely.  The only option I have is to use my vote to get rid of those pissing my taxes away.  If everyone did likewise, we'd see a change.

Right, so how would you and Mikhail's revolution look?  Are you two going to jump into the Clio and drive it through the doors of Stormont?  You see, the thing is, it's going to need popular support to make it even nearly viable.  And it won't have it.  I doubt you'd even fill the back seats at this stage.  So we're back to the aul ballot box.

If your only two options are to start a revolution (lol) or do nothing, then I pick neither.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #527 on: January 11, 2017, 12:46:02 AM »
Franko,

2. Does the cost of Britain's wars not lessen the amount allocated to Stormont? So if your tax bill goes up next year because of RHI, what will you do about it? Nothing, that's what. Just like rest of us.

3. So what do you propose we do about it? No amount of pissing and moaning, protesting or tweeting with make any difference. It's their money, not ours. The only way to change anything is follow Mikhail's suggestion.

Yes, most likely.  The only option I have is to use my vote to get rid of those pissing my taxes away.  If everyone did likewise, we'd see a change.

Right, so how would you and Mikhail's revolution look?  Are you two going to jump into the Clio and drive it through the doors of Stormont?  You see, the thing is, it's going to need popular support to make it even nearly viable.  And it won't have it.  I doubt you'd even fill the back seats at this stage.  So we're back to the aul ballot box.

If your only two options are to start a revolution (lol) or do nothing, then I pick neither.

Vote by all means if you think it'll change. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Here, Mikhail's the man with the revolution idea, not me!  ;D

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #528 on: January 11, 2017, 07:03:28 AM »
Now she wants an inquiry.If she offered it in Irish would the Shinners go back in?
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #529 on: January 11, 2017, 07:06:54 AM »
Talk of revolution ffs. People have been listening to Gerry Carroll for too long.
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #530 on: January 11, 2017, 09:01:20 AM »
I have been critical of SF recently, particularly in relation to their propping up of the DUP. The DUP have an agenda to deny Irishness and Irish culture whilst funding loyalists with paramilitary links and funding those cultural icons that are the marching (flute) bands. SF have had no choice in pulling the plug and should not re-enter any executive without guarantees on equality.

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« Reply #531 on: January 11, 2017, 09:03:08 AM »
On a different tack, given that the population here is somewhere around 45% nationalist 49% Unionist why do unionist parties get 10 or 11 seats more?

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« Reply #532 on: January 11, 2017, 09:17:01 AM »
On a different tack, given that the population here is somewhere around 45% nationalist 49% Unionist why do unionist parties get 10 or 11 seats more?

It's to do with constituency boundaries. A bit like the electoral college in the US Trump won the most states but lost the popular vote by some margin. Gerrymandering is alive and well in todays world!

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #533 on: January 11, 2017, 09:34:43 AM »
On a different tack, given that the population here is somewhere around 45% nationalist 49% Unionist why do unionist parties get 10 or 11 seats more?

It's to do with constituency boundaries. A bit like the electoral college in the US Trump won the most states but lost the popular vote by some margin. Gerrymandering is alive and well in todays world!

This, plus in the last couple or three elections nationalists have been staying at home more.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #534 on: January 11, 2017, 09:36:35 AM »
On a different tack, given that the population here is somewhere around 45% nationalist 49% Unionist why do unionist parties get 10 or 11 seats more?

It's to do with constituency boundaries. A bit like the electoral college in the US Trump won the most states but lost the popular vote by some margin. Gerrymandering is alive and well in todays world!

It's hardly gerrymandering that most nationalist live in constituencies that are west of the Bann.  Many constituencies are predominantly one side or the other due to polarisation of residency.  You could further gerrymander in Belfast to be in slightly in favour of nationalists but it would not make a significant difference in seats.  The use of PR provides the most accurate representation of the voting of people in a constituency.

While the percentages of perceived nationalists and unionists are moving closer together, the percentages at voting age are much further apart at this time.   

The percentages would only be translated into seats if there was one party available on both sides.

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« Reply #535 on: January 11, 2017, 09:53:02 AM »
Voting in the 2014 European election was based on a single constituency which eliminates any gerrymandering.  This shows how far behind that nationalists are behind in voting parity with unionist.

SF      159,813
DUP      131,163
UUP      83,438
SDLP      81,594
TUV      75,806
Alliance   44,432
UKIP      24,584
Green   10,598
N21      10,553
Cons      4,144


Nationalist      241,407
      
Unionist      374,120
      
Others      10,598



Nationalist      241407      38.6%
            
Unionist      374120      59.8%
            
Others      10598      1.7%
            

« Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 09:55:02 AM by Take Your Points »

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #536 on: January 11, 2017, 10:11:39 AM »
Turnout was 54% 7 months ago. Might be lower now. There could be enough margin for a higher overall nationalist vote.
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #537 on: January 11, 2017, 10:20:54 AM »
It is a bit like Brexit in England. The 60+ age group,  who are two thirds unionist,  have a high turnout. The younger groups give out on Facebook,  but don't bother themselves actually going to vote.

And if people want to minimise the impact of Brexit then they should get out and vote for a party that opposes Brexit and wants special recognition of NI's situation. I. E not the unionists and not the PBP.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 10:22:50 AM by armaghniac »
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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #538 on: January 11, 2017, 10:21:01 AM »
Bit of gerrymandering of the figures there TYP?

Given that the Alliance Party fought tooth and nail to get the designation 'other' added to the register in the Belfast Agreement, I think they'd be disappointed that you have taken it upon yourself to label them as unionists.  Poor form.

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Re: Arlene and The Renewable Heat Incentive
« Reply #539 on: January 11, 2017, 10:57:04 AM »
It is a bit like Brexit in England. The 60+ age group,  who are two thirds unionist,  have a high turnout. The younger groups give out on Facebook,  but don't bother themselves actually going to vote.

And if people want to minimise the impact of Brexit then they should get out and vote for a party that opposes Brexit and wants special recognition of NI's situation. I. E not the unionists and not the PBP.

So is Alliance or Green Party going to stand up to the boys club in Europe and demand special treatment for Norn Iron?