Garda strike

[seafoid]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

[muppet]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

Strange one that.

They are going on strike, for the right to strike. Which suggests that they understand that they might not have the right to strike.

They are also striking for the right to negotiate on pay, against suggesting that they believe that they currently do not have the right, or at least as much authority to negotiate as they want. But yet they have a pay demand attached.

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

[seafoid]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

Strange one that.

They are going on strike, for the right to strike. Which suggests that they understand that they might not have the right to strike.

They are also striking for the right to negotiate on pay, against suggesting that they believe that they currently do not have the right, or at least as much authority to negotiate as they want. But yet they have a pay demand attached.

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

Gardaí are not allowed to strike. Any time in the past they got rowdy they would threaten to strike and get a deal.

[armaghniac]

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

I think the GRA isn't a union and so cannot negotiate.

[muppet]

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

I think the GRA isn't a union and so cannot negotiate.

If that is the case they are on very dodgy ground and the strike would be illegal.

But it appears to be illegal anyway.

Union leaders are normally protected when conducting Union business under law, but if they aren't a recognised union, and thus don't hold a negotiating licence, they are in dangerous territory.

[seafoid]

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

I think the GRA isn't a union and so cannot negotiate.

It's the forces of law and order. They cannot hold the country to ransom....

[shark]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

Strange one that.

They are going on strike, for the right to strike. Which suggests that they understand that they might not have the right to strike.

They are also striking for the right to negotiate on pay, against suggesting that they believe that they currently do not have the right, or at least as much authority to negotiate as they want. But yet they have a pay demand attached.

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

Doesn't only apply to them. The Defence Forces can't strike either. When there was an issue with low pay for soldiers back in the 80's or 90's (can't remember exactly) it was the soldiers' families who protested. There seems to be a lack of discipline in AGS. I support their claims for better conditions, but if they go on strike then they should lose their jobs. This is not how to conduct business.

[Orior]

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

I think the GRA isn't a union and so cannot negotiate.

It's the forces of law and order. They cannot hold the country to ransom....

Mention of the AGSI and GRA reminds me of the unfortunate acronym for the Gaelic Players Association

GPA

[muppet]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

Strange one that.

They are going on strike, for the right to strike. Which suggests that they understand that they might not have the right to strike.

They are also striking for the right to negotiate on pay, against suggesting that they believe that they currently do not have the right, or at least as much authority to negotiate as they want. But yet they have a pay demand attached.

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

Doesn't only apply to them. The Defence Forces can't strike either. When there was an issue with low pay for soldiers back in the 80's or 90's (can't remember exactly) it was the soldiers' families who protested. There seems to be a lack of discipline in AGS. I support their claims for better conditions, but if they go on strike then they should lose their jobs. This is not how to conduct business.

I agree with this. They knew they couldn't strike when they signed up.

But like everyone else they have suffered since the financial crash. And when you look at policing around the world, they are generally very good at what they do.

[shark]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

Strange one that.

They are going on strike, for the right to strike. Which suggests that they understand that they might not have the right to strike.

They are also striking for the right to negotiate on pay, against suggesting that they believe that they currently do not have the right, or at least as much authority to negotiate as they want. But yet they have a pay demand attached.

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

Doesn't only apply to them. The Defence Forces can't strike either. When there was an issue with low pay for soldiers back in the 80's or 90's (can't remember exactly) it was the soldiers' families who protested. There seems to be a lack of discipline in AGS. I support their claims for better conditions, but if they go on strike then they should lose their jobs. This is not how to conduct business.

I agree with this. They knew they couldn't strike when they signed up.

But like everyone else they have suffered since the financial crash. And when you look at policing around the world, they are generally very good at what they do.

Absolutely. I, as a taxpayer, am quite happy with the service they are providing. I know a handful of their members and they are all quality individuals who could certainly do well for themselves in any walk of life. But striking is a terrible option for them. They will never be forgiven by the public.

[seafoid]

Have you drink taken?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sergeants-and-inspectors-say-no-to-proposals-as-strike-looms-35181207.html

Strange one that.

They are going on strike, for the right to strike. Which suggests that they understand that they might not have the right to strike.

They are also striking for the right to negotiate on pay, against suggesting that they believe that they currently do not have the right, or at least as much authority to negotiate as they want. But yet they have a pay demand attached.

The former is probably illegal and can anyone shed any light on why they don't think they have the right to negotiate on pay? Is this a specific Garda issue (some unique law that only applies to them) or is it that the GRA hasn't been fully recognised as a union, or maybe some combination both?

Doesn't only apply to them. The Defence Forces can't strike either. When there was an issue with low pay for soldiers back in the 80's or 90's (can't remember exactly) it was the soldiers' families who protested. There seems to be a lack of discipline in AGS. I support their claims for better conditions, but if they go on strike then they should lose their jobs. This is not how to conduct business.

I agree with this. They knew they couldn't strike when they signed up.

But like everyone else they have suffered since the financial crash. And when you look at policing around the world, they are generally very good at what they do.

There is  a big queue behind them
And Brexit means Brexit and is going to hammer SME taxes

[armaghniac]

But like everyone else they have suffered since the financial crash. And when you look at policing around the world, they are generally very good at what they do.

More than 90% of people, there are few groups now earning less than in 2008.
The government declared recovery, while still legally restricting the pay of certain people on the basis of an "emergency". Never going to end well. Learning lessons from the past, the government could have proposed some sort of rational basis for pay in the future, but instead they just decided to keep the emergency legislation going as long as possible so that they could give out goodies elsewhere. Now it is all going to end up in a heap, because of their crass opportunism.

[manfromdelmonte]

I think the public will support the gardai no matter what

[foxcommander]

Should ask Denis for a few quid. They've been doing a fierce amount of work for him over the last few years protecting his interests.

[macdanger2]

But like everyone else they have suffered since the financial crash. And when you look at policing around the world, they are generally very good at what they do.

More than 90% of people, there are few groups now earning less than in 2008.
The government declared recovery, while still legally restricting the pay of certain people on the basis of an "emergency". Never going to end well. Learning lessons from the past, the government could have proposed some sort of rational basis for pay in the future, but instead they just decided to keep the emergency legislation going as long as possible so that they could give out goodies elsewhere. Now it is all going to end up in a heap, because of their crass opportunism.

It's worth remembering that not one single garda, teacher, nurse, etc. lost their job over the past 7-8 years and never had even the fear of losing their jobs hanging over them. That sort of insulation has to come at some sort of cost.

It's also worth remembering that the country is still not balancing the books