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Re: CPA (Club Players Association)
« Reply #165 on: January 11, 2017, 01:25:24 PM »
What facts have you stated?

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« Reply #166 on: January 11, 2017, 01:49:02 PM »
The Dubs on here are happy with how things are......they are winning Sams with their professional outfit, their players mostly (Connolly an honourable exception) don't give a f**k about club football, their clubs have players coming out of their ears and all is rosy in the garden.
They don't see what is going on in the rest of the country. Soon they will have very few teams to hammer on their way to total domination and there will be no fun in that!

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« Reply #167 on: January 11, 2017, 02:06:24 PM »
Zulu,

Your point about the need for organizing is well made, however what exactly does the GPA stand for and who is it supposed to benefit, who really benefits from it, and lastly roughly what % of IC players truly benefit from it.

Loaded Q's maybe, but my antenna went up on this organization, a few years back when Mayo played NY in the Connacht Championship in NY. As far as I am aware, the GPA sent a retired Dublin player and a retired Kildare player out to NY as representatives. Now I don't begrudge them in one bit, as they sure put some serious time in on the field, but were there no retired players in the province of Connacht that could have been sent out. To me it smelt of eliteism. I hope I am wrong on this.

I totally understand where the CPA wants to go on this and I support them, and no to digress, but I hope it shows up the provincial councils for what they are when it comes to fixtures. Two months to play six games in some provinces, they could easily be played in half the time.
Throw in the tradition of The all-Ireland finals being played four weeks after a semi-final and it is a no brainer what needs to be done.

Can anybody have a stab at answering the above.
I went on their website today for the first time, and my first impression is that the PR person is doing one hell of a job.
Just out of curiosity, I clicked on USA link, mother of God, what a load of BS, promoting games in the US, yeah right, promoting fundraising. Great photo op in times square  ::)
Such a load of sh*it, Hurricane Sandy photo op in Breezey point, how long did they spend there helping to rebuild ??.

Zulu, I am sure deep down you are a genuine GAA person, but is it not difficult to skeptical of the whole lot of it.

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« Reply #168 on: January 11, 2017, 02:43:21 PM »
What facts have you stated?


I know you can read so I won't copy and paste. Go on, deny that they're facts. Tell me they're opinions and try to tie me down in semantics rather than argue the case. Anyone who doesn't believe those assertions to be true is deluded or else just won't admit it.

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« Reply #169 on: January 11, 2017, 02:44:45 PM »
Right lads, you've been in the gym 3 times a week for 3 years. You spent January to March on the track and running up mountains. You've been off the drink since April. Today lads, today it's the 1st of July and all that hard work is about to pay off. Today we meet our old rivals the Cross-Community Lionesses in 9-a-side no contact football. It doesn't matter whether we win or lose. Lads, It's all about days like this. You will remember this day forever.


Would you pair ever wise to f**k up?

But that day can be September 1st, and through July and August everyone can fight for their place during the (9-a-side no contact football) as you put it. I see nothing wrong with it.  you sound like Rory's Stories ffs. Take a day off

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« Reply #170 on: January 11, 2017, 03:12:53 PM »
I see GPA bashing is back in vogue this morning  ::)


Is stating the facts now known as "bashing"? If it is then I'm guilty as charged.

It would be more in your line to argue with me how I'm wrong that resort to some mealy mouthed like the above. Trouble is, I'm right.

List the "facts" please or get over yourself.
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« Reply #171 on: January 11, 2017, 03:48:55 PM »
So some people think touch GAA in the summer would sort the thing out????

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« Reply #172 on: January 11, 2017, 05:36:04 PM »
What facts have you stated?


I know you can read so I won't copy and paste. Go on, deny that they're facts. Tell me they're opinions and try to tie me down in semantics rather than argue the case. Anyone who doesn't believe those assertions to be true is deluded or else just won't admit it.

If you've posted any facts in this thread I haven't read them despite being able to read.

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« Reply #173 on: January 11, 2017, 05:41:23 PM »
If there was a complete division between county and club sides, with no county players ever playing for their clubs until retirement from the county game, would many people even bother going to county matches? I know I certainly wouldn't.

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« Reply #174 on: January 11, 2017, 05:44:02 PM »
Zulu,

Your point about the need for organizing is well made, however what exactly does the GPA stand for and who is it supposed to benefit, who really benefits from it, and lastly roughly what % of IC players truly benefit from it.

Loaded Q's maybe, but my antenna went up on this organization, a few years back when Mayo played NY in the Connacht Championship in NY. As far as I am aware, the GPA sent a retired Dublin player and a retired Kildare player out to NY as representatives. Now I don't begrudge them in one bit, as they sure put some serious time in on the field, but were there no retired players in the province of Connacht that could have been sent out. To me it smelt of eliteism. I hope I am wrong on this.

I totally understand where the CPA wants to go on this and I support them, and no to digress, but I hope it shows up the provincial councils for what they are when it comes to fixtures. Two months to play six games in some provinces, they could easily be played in half the time.
Throw in the tradition of The all-Ireland finals being played four weeks after a semi-final and it is a no brainer what needs to be done.

Can anybody have a stab at answering the above.
I went on their website today for the first time, and my first impression is that the PR person is doing one hell of a job.
Just out of curiosity, I clicked on USA link, mother of God, what a load of BS, promoting games in the US, yeah right, promoting fundraising. Great photo op in times square  ::)
Such a load of sh*it, Hurricane Sandy photo op in Breezey point, how long did they spend there helping to rebuild ??.

Zulu, I am sure deep down you are a genuine GAA person, but is it not difficult to skeptical of the whole lot of it.

See Joe, this is the type of thing that gets my back up about the anti-GPA stuff. You say that 'deep down' I'm a genuine a GAA man but I'm GAA through and through. However, some people seem very quick to climb up on the high moral ground and label people as lesser GAA men simply because they support an IC players representative body.

Myself and Rossfan (from my reading of his posts) are exactly the same, genuine GAA men who go from one end of the year to the other in the real world hardly thinking or talking about the GPA. However, we defend them here because some of the criticism of them is outlandish and often, unsubstantiated. I think they are doing some good work for a very important section of the GAA so good luck to them. The challenges I face working at the coalface are neither helped nor hindered by the GPA so if they help lads with depression or upskill them for better job opportunities that's fine by me.

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« Reply #175 on: January 11, 2017, 05:44:38 PM »
If there was a complete division between county and club sides, with no county players ever playing for their clubs until retirement from the county game, would many people even bother going to county matches? I know I certainly wouldn't.

Tens of thousands I'd imagine.

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« Reply #176 on: January 11, 2017, 05:50:45 PM »
If there was a complete division between county and club sides, with no county players ever playing for their clubs until retirement from the county game, would many people even bother going to county matches? I know I certainly wouldn't.

Tens of thousands I'd imagine.

I don't think so, when a lot of the best players (outside of the metropolis) playing only for their club, the great link between clubs and the county would be lost and a lot of supporters with it.

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« Reply #177 on: January 11, 2017, 05:59:49 PM »
Sorry you said county players only playing for their club after retirement so I was basing it on most county players picking county. If that was the case then the crowds would still be huge. If a lot of the better players picked club it would be a bit different but the county teams challenging for top honours would still get massive crowds.

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« Reply #178 on: January 12, 2017, 01:48:03 PM »
The Dubs on here are happy with how things are......they are winning Sams with their professional outfit, their players mostly (Connolly an honourable exception) don't give a f**k about club football, their clubs have players coming out of their ears and all is rosy in the garden.
They don't see what is going on in the rest of the country. Soon they will have very few teams to hammer on their way to total domination and there will be no fun in that!
I wouldnt necessarily agree with that. Our club had one player on the Dublin panel fof about four years. He was never a first pick and was used during league games and early championship games with maybe the occasional 15 minutes as a sub.
We lost Div 1 status in the league by three league points. Our best player was kept from us by Dublin management and I have no doubt his availability would have kept us in Div.1. Now in Div 2 for three years and the same thing is going on. The plsyer doesnt seem to mind as he has the "Dublin player" tag with all the goodies that goes with it. The club supporters have given up even considering him part of the club panel now

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« Reply #179 on: January 13, 2017, 02:07:31 AM »
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what exactly does the GPA stand for and who is it supposed to benefit

It started, supposedly, as a player welfare body but it seems to have gotten a bit carried away with itself. It now seems to see itself as an equal partner with the GAA rather than a subset of it, hence the branding of certain events as joint productions between the GAA and the GPA.

The Hurricane Sandy business was one of its more cynical moves. They sent a squad to New York to do some work for a good cause, but by God they made sure there was a full TV camera crew there to cover it. When they returned to NY later to reap the rewards from the resulting goodwill they openly bragged about how they were going to raise a million bucks with their "star-studded" gala. I don't know if they made it to a million or not but if the GAA top brass was throwing around language like that the pitchforks-and-torches crowd would be out in force giving out about the "Grab All Association."

And don't get me started on the Hurling Super Elevens business. Coming up with an alternative sport with professional trappings and as part of a networking event with all the big shots and big donors, while a crumb is thrown from the table to the local GAA units who were never even notified that the whole thing was happening. The North American GAA board was completely ignored in that little episode, they only heard about it through the media like everyone else. Imagine the GPA waltzing into your county with big plans to promote hurling and the local county board doesn't get a look in... it's a bit like that.

I haven't been following them closely of late, but I still view them with a certain amount of suspicion. If they thought they could start a professional hurling league in America they probably would, but the only thing stopping them is their members live on the other side of the Atlantic.

What grinds my gears about the GPA is their smash-and-grab approach to the USA. They see the place as an ATM from which they can withdraw money to line their pockets, while the people actually promoting the games in the US are given table scraps at best and completely ignored at worst.