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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2018, 05:11:50 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2018, 05:25:32 PM »
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven

Probably not but you have to consider the time that many of the clubs were created. Many of them were founded during a period of history where their language, games and customs were openly prohibited. Naming a club after a local rebel would have been a way to recognise the fight at a time where here was no other way. Would you for instance be critical of James Stephens for naming their club after a local Fenian way back in the 1880’s?  Of course not. Historically, whether we accept it or not, GAA clubs have been closely associated with the history of the revolutions within our country. The organisation may have moved forward but history cannot be changed.

I understand all that. Soccer was equally involved in the revolutionary period, certainly moreso in the rising, and they didnt go down that route.

The principle is not the issue. But it could be classed as presumptive. Would lobg dead figure x want to be assosciated with a club in an area and sport that had nothing to do eith them? What had Rodger Casement got to do with Belfast, Gaelic Games (in fact sport in general)and dodgy planning applications?

Its food for thought.

Food for thought if your mind requires little feeding.  Which in this case it seems to.

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2018, 05:26:38 PM »
Reinventing history to try and fit a "Soccer good Gah bad" agenda isn't the brightest of ideas  ::)
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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #138 on: November 02, 2018, 05:29:39 PM »
I’m not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy!  The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.

But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?

OK then, what connection did he have to the hospital?  There are plenty of angles from which to aim a genuine kick at the GAA.  But, if you'll pardon the pun, this one seems particularly obtuse.

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« Reply #139 on: November 03, 2018, 10:23:15 AM »
I’m not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy!  The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.

But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?

OK then, what connection did he have to the hospital?  There are plenty of angles from which to aim a genuine kick at the GAA.  But, if you'll pardon the pun, this one seems particularly obtuse.
Who is kicking?

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« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
. The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2018, 08:35:09 PM »




Oscar Traynor (right), with Taoiseach Éamon de Valera and President Douglas Hyde, watching the Irish Free State soccer team
beat Poland 3–2 at Dalymount Park in November 1938. Applying Rule 27, the ban on ‘foreign games’, the GAA in the following month
controversially removed Hyde as a patron of the organisation.

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #142 on: November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
 Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.




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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #143 on: November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
 Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #144 on: November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
 Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #145 on: November 05, 2018, 02:43:51 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
 Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #146 on: November 05, 2018, 10:15:22 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
 Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Which stat?
What obligation?
I have already given the source of information,  Tim pat Coogan's book, which is richly and impeccably sourced..
If you have other sources to counter any information I have given, then please give them, don't hesitate,  just provide exact sourced information, inane ramblings are not fit for this purpose.
So far, you have given bullshit, with no sources.

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« Reply #147 on: November 06, 2018, 05:23:39 PM »
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
 
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
 Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Which stat?
What obligation?
I have already given the source of information,  Tim pat Coogan's book, which is richly and impeccably sourced..
If you have other sources to counter any information I have given, then please give them, don't hesitate,  just provide exact sourced information, inane ramblings are not fit for this purpose.
So far, you have given bullshit, with no sources.
Which book ffs.

20% my arse. And you know it.

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Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« Reply #148 on: November 08, 2018, 07:08:31 PM »
https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2018/10/25/news/historian-tim-pat-coogan-on-his-book-the-gaa-and-the-war-of-independence-1465710/

If you’ve got a better source, please present it.

Failing that, we’ll all have to conclude that, yet again, you’ve been caught out talking tosh.

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« Reply #149 on: November 09, 2018, 10:42:36 AM »
He wasn't a Republican but Ruairí Óg Gaelic Athletic Club in Cushendall is named after him.  Ruairí Óg Ó Mórdha from Laois led the Catholic side in the Irish Rebellion of 1641.

Great call there by Cushendall
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