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« Reply #2160 on: August 17, 2020, 11:38:59 AM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn’t make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

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« Reply #2161 on: August 17, 2020, 12:27:37 PM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn’t make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

I would definitely agree with bolstering clubs, especially those left behind in poorer areas. The middling clubs are now dying too.

I'm not sure setting up new clubs in public parks will work, although definitely superclubs can be cold, souless places. Will players and parents ditch the facilites and winning culture to change in a ditch at a club that has purism?

Kilmacud are right beside serious soccer clubs like Cabinteely, Broadford, Leicester Celtic, Glenmore Dundrum, and you also have rugby, hockey etc. Be very happy they have them at 12f level. The dynamic of how you get them in and keep them is different in Dublin. Public parks aren't likely to draw interest when there are 20 sporting options within a 10 minute drive

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« Reply #2162 on: August 17, 2020, 01:07:02 PM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn’t make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

I would definitely agree with bolstering clubs, especially those left behind in poorer areas. The middling clubs are now dying too.

I'm not sure setting up new clubs in public parks will work, although definitely superclubs can be cold, souless places. Will players and parents ditch the facilites and winning culture to change in a ditch at a club that has purism?

Kilmacud are right beside serious soccer clubs like Cabinteely, Broadford, Leicester Celtic, Glenmore Dundrum, and you also have rugby, hockey etc. Be very happy they have them at 12f level. The dynamic of how you get them in and keep them is different in Dublin. Public parks aren't likely to draw interest when there are 20 sporting options within a 10 minute drive

Those that would advocate spending money on GAA stadia should realise that strategically increasing resources at grass roots has much more value. Clubs Sharing of accessible quality venues, eg floodlit 4G makes most sense. Rugby and soccer have their own challenges at elite and grassroots level, GAA has an opportunity to steal a march on them. As it stands , GAA in Dublin under the current system has peaked and failure to respond will see an inevitable decline . Introducing an extra elite team in this area could transform the environment. Think of rangers/celtic . Celtic are going for 10 in a row but the early years of dominance were stale , until the recent re-emergence of a cross city rival. Baile Brigin you quite rightly challenge outdated GAA rules, why then preserve outdated Intercounty boundaries?

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« Reply #2163 on: August 17, 2020, 01:23:47 PM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn’t make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

I would definitely agree with bolstering clubs, especially those left behind in poorer areas. The middling clubs are now dying too.

I'm not sure setting up new clubs in public parks will work, although definitely superclubs can be cold, souless places. Will players and parents ditch the facilites and winning culture to change in a ditch at a club that has purism?

Kilmacud are right beside serious soccer clubs like Cabinteely, Broadford, Leicester Celtic, Glenmore Dundrum, and you also have rugby, hockey etc. Be very happy they have them at 12f level. The dynamic of how you get them in and keep them is different in Dublin. Public parks aren't likely to draw interest when there are 20 sporting options within a 10 minute drive

Those that would advocate spending money on GAA stadia should realise that strategically increasing resources at grass roots has much more value. Clubs Sharing of accessible quality venues, eg floodlit 4G makes most sense. Rugby and soccer have their own challenges at elite and grassroots level, GAA has an opportunity to steal a march on them. As it stands , GAA in Dublin under the current system has peaked and failure to respond will see an inevitable decline . Introducing an extra elite team in this area could transform the environment. Think of rangers/celtic . Celtic are going for 10 in a row but the early years of dominance were stale , until the recent re-emergence of a cross city rival. Baile Brigin you quite rightly challenge outdated GAA rules, why then preserve outdated Intercounty boundaries?

Enter what elite team where?

I am challenging why intercounty boundaries would be changed and the inevitable disaster it would be

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« Reply #2164 on: August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM »
I don’t know the demographics of Dublin and it’s GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.

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« Reply #2165 on: August 17, 2020, 06:22:07 PM »
I don’t know the demographics of Dublin and it’s GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

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« Reply #2166 on: August 17, 2020, 10:09:31 PM »
I don’t know the demographics of Dublin and it’s GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent “success breeds success” effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there’s a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

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« Reply #2167 on: August 17, 2020, 11:17:12 PM »
I don’t know the demographics of Dublin and it’s GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent “success breeds success” effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there’s a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

Dublin has always had this advantage. Was never an issue before.

But what better way?

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« Reply #2168 on: August 18, 2020, 12:06:41 AM »
I don’t know the demographics of Dublin and it’s GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent “success breeds success” effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there’s a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

Dublin has always had this advantage. Was never an issue before.

But what better way?

Ah yes, the Dublin has always had an advantage - Was never an issue before.

How long are Dublin playing League Home Games in Croke Park.

How long are Dublin getting extra funding for their GDO's?

How long are Dublin Getting to use the same dressing room in Croke Park?

How long are Dublin not playing away fixtures in the Leinster Championship?

How long have they had a main sponsor?

They have not always had the above advantages.

The Answer to most of these is 20 (maybe 30) years or less! So to say Dublin have always had these advantages is short sighted.

Most of these advantages have come in incrementally, nearly under the radar.


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« Reply #2169 on: August 18, 2020, 01:49:17 AM »
Dublin hasn't always had this advantage. When the GAA was founded or 30 years later Dublin's population wasn't several time that of other counties and many of those people were British soldiers and administrators.
There is a growing problem and nobody can deny it.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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« Reply #2170 on: August 18, 2020, 08:02:40 AM »
I don’t know the demographics of Dublin and it’s GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent “success breeds success” effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there’s a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

Dublin has always had this advantage. Was never an issue before.

But what better way?

Ah yes, the Dublin has always had an advantage - Was never an issue before.

How long are Dublin playing League Home Games in Croke Park.

How long are Dublin getting extra funding for their GDO's?

How long are Dublin Getting to use the same dressing room in Croke Park?

How long are Dublin not playing away fixtures in the Leinster Championship?

How long have they had a main sponsor?

They have not always had the above advantages.

The Answer to most of these is 20 (maybe 30) years or less! So to say Dublin have always had these advantages is short sighted.

Most of these advantages have come in incrementally, nearly under the radar.

They are decisions taken to maximise revenue for your club and county. They are easy decisions to reverse without destroying the game.

If you think Dublin’s success is down to what dressing room they have in Croker...

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« Reply #2171 on: August 18, 2020, 08:03:47 AM »
Dublin hasn't always had this advantage. When the GAA was founded or 30 years later Dublin's population wasn't several time that of other counties and many of those people were British soldiers and administrators.
There is a growing problem and nobody can deny it.

Those administrators were replaced by culchies, none of whom identity with Dublin.

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« Reply #2172 on: August 18, 2020, 09:11:24 AM »
Those administrators were replaced by culchies who form the backbone of Dublin clubs and whose children play for Dublin.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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« Reply #2173 on: August 18, 2020, 10:29:53 AM »
Those administrators were replaced by culchies who form the backbone of Dublin clubs and whose children play for Dublin.

That certainly used to be the case. But then Dubs got involved, we are now winning and the culchies are complaining.

But the reality is a huge number of our eligible playing pool go home of the weekend and play for the club of their forefathers. Culchies whinge when they transfer.

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« Reply #2174 on: August 18, 2020, 11:10:50 AM »
If the aim was to provide as fair a championship as possible and find the part of the country with the best footballers then the solution would be to give every political constituency a team.