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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2145 on: August 16, 2020, 02:14:17 PM »
Back in the 1880s of horse drawn and steam train transport and postal communication only The County-Provincial- National idea of Governance and consequent competition was the only logical way to run an organisation.
With the vast differences in populations among the Counties nowadays plus e communication etc there isn't much logic in the County system or Provincial Councils either.
However  County loyalty is embedded emotionally in GAA people so hard to see it ever changing for represenative gaelic games.
Maybe possible in the lower ranks of hurling where interest in hurling is negligible but not likely in football.

However if the Dublin juggernaut goes on to 9 or 10 in a row the growing lack of interest and €€€€€€s may cause some rethinking.
Have to agree with you, Ross if things  continue on their present course, Dublin  will banjax the entire intercounty system. Problem is that splitting Dublin into its four constituent counties, as things stand,
could impact on the survival of the same system.
I've mentioned before that, while Cavan has 41 affiliated clubs, Erin's Isle, a mid-sized club in Finglas, has a catchment area with more or less the same population as Cavan.
In percentage terms, Dublin has the least support of all counties and splitting it in four will cause more problems than it could solve. Many Dubs won't agree with me but the sheer size of the majority of the county's clubs means the don't have the parish connection that is the backbone of rural clubs throughout the land. From decades of experience in dealing with schools' GAA, I can definitely say that big clubs turn off small boys.
Dunno what, if anything, can be done. Dublin won't increase the number of clubs nor limit the numbers in any existing ones either. Things cannot continue the way they are now but I have no idea what is going to happen.


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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2146 on: August 16, 2020, 06:43:40 PM »
They have the population to set up many more clubs, it's not an issue of population or potential playing numbers.
If they were split, I'm sure that would be resolved very quickly.

If Dublin was split in 4, what would be resolved? The fact that in 2 of the 4 counties Gaelic games would be a genuine minority sport and the 2 that would be possibly workable have no stadiums.

The idea that what is holding back gaelic games in DLR and DCC is simply a lack of effort is laughable

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2147 on: August 16, 2020, 06:47:59 PM »
Volunteers need to work harder :D
How many of the 39,000 registered playing members in Dublin are with DLR Clubs?
More than in Leitrim or Fermanagh I suspect.

I would guess about 3,000 with half at Crokes alone.

If Leitrim are Fermanagh are the target for the Dun Laoighre Kingsmen to aspire to, can we not bother please?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2148 on: August 16, 2020, 07:15:35 PM »
The Dublin squad of 31 that won Sam by county and population.

DCC 17 (528,000)
South Dublin 3 (279,000)
Fingal 4 (296,000)
DLR 7 (218,000)

So you could actually argue on a current sporting level that the Dublin Metros franchise playing in Croker will still be dominant and the other three would struggle. So all you are doing is telling 750,000 folk that they have to pick a new team, which most won't, and we are in the same place but with a bill of north of €50m for three stadiums for three teams nobody is likely to give a shit about.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2149 on: August 16, 2020, 09:00:08 PM »
Sure they'll all cuckoo into Croke Park like ye're current 4 County combination.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2150 on: August 16, 2020, 11:16:24 PM »
Sure they'll all cuckoo into Croke Park like ye're current 4 County combination.

Yeah, 5,000 in Croker to watch the Dun Laoighre Seamen get tanked by Wexford. Can see that being a long term plan.

Who doesn't play in Croker to accomodate, considering all you rurals believe it your right?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2151 on: August 17, 2020, 08:50:13 AM »
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2152 on: August 17, 2020, 09:16:32 AM »
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

Look at the state of St Francis Gaels... Thats not an argument

You would be foolish to the point of lying to claim Gaelic Games are 'bigger' than rugby and soccer in DLR

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2153 on: August 17, 2020, 09:50:23 AM »
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

Look at the state of St Francis Gaels... Thats not an argument

You would be foolish to the point of lying to claim Gaelic Games are 'bigger' than rugby and soccer in DLR
It’s ironic that while Dublin is the only county in Ireland where Gaa is a minority sport , it has totally  dominated Gaelic football for the past decade. Intercounty dominance to such an extent is likely to
Lead to complacency and loss of interest, presenting further challenges for the inefficient club structures in Dublin. Splitting Dublin , and indeed Dublin super-clubs, must now be considered to ensure sustainability of this “minority” sport in the capital. This will hopefully open doors for far more aspiring GAA players in Dublin, develop more local interest in the GAA and stimulate growth.

Those who have lauded the formation of “East Belfast” GAA, which eats into the catchment area of local clubs, will argue that local clubs have welcomed the inclusion of a new club , in stimulating GAA in that area. Could this be a model Dublin GAA could consider to develop their “minority sport”?
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2154 on: August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2155 on: August 17, 2020, 10:51:51 AM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.

So thats less clubs than we have now...

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2156 on: August 17, 2020, 11:10:18 AM »
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

Look at the state of St Francis Gaels... Thats not an argument

You would be foolish to the point of lying to claim Gaelic Games are 'bigger' than rugby and soccer in DLR
It’s ironic that while Dublin is the only county in Ireland where Gaa is a minority sport , it has totally  dominated Gaelic football for the past decade. Intercounty dominance to such an extent is likely to
Lead to complacency and loss of interest, presenting further challenges for the inefficient club structures in Dublin. Splitting Dublin , and indeed Dublin super-clubs, must now be considered to ensure sustainability of this “minority” sport in the capital. This will hopefully open doors for far more aspiring GAA players in Dublin, develop more local interest in the GAA and stimulate growth.

Those who have lauded the formation of “East Belfast” GAA, which eats into the catchment area of local clubs, will argue that local clubs have welcomed the inclusion of a new club , in stimulating GAA in that area. Could this be a model Dublin GAA could consider to develop their “minority sport”?

Thats nonsense. We now have a situation where most of Dublin now has a club, that wasn't the case before,  and a winning intercounty side, which definitely wasn't the case before. Thats what drives interest. That is down to the superclub structure. I have issues with it, but there isn't enough land for houses, where are these spin off new clubs going to be located?

Cuala renting off a soccer club and playing in a public park worked, but it cost millions. You want to risk replicating that times a hundred?

My major issue with the superclub model is Gaelic games in the capital is now a middle class game, the working class clubs were jettisoned. But at least there was a strategy.

Telling these new players and parents that the modern, safe, local superclub is gone, or at least to them, can you please drop your kids to the park, won't fly. We know you used to have a coffee and a read of tbe paper when training was on, but sure you can shelter in the car. We know your kid had county underage ambition, but the new club with new coaches and no facilities will do grand. Soccer and rugby clubs will hoover them up.

I don't think non Dubs get the competition we have and tbe reality that for lots of us, other sports have better facilites, more volunteers, more money and are better ingrained. But we have the Dubs as an aspiration for kids and a day out. Other sports don't.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2157 on: August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2158 on: August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2159 on: August 17, 2020, 11:31:10 AM »
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

New smaller clubs in certain areas. However, space then would be a major issue I suppose for pitches etc.
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