Money, Dublin and the GAA

[caprea]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Solves the problem of Dublin’s advantages but causes or doesn’t solve other problems

[armaghniac]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Solves the problem of Dublin’s advantages but causes or doesn’t solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

[Rossfan]

The GAA has brought in the Tailteann Cup for the smaller Counties plus the Hurling Counties plus the 2 or 3 inept Counties

[caprea]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Solves the problem of Dublin’s advantages but causes or doesn’t solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

Where do you suggest the 4 dublin teams play their home games? Croke Park I imagine.

The proud south dublin Steelers who play in the heart of the north side. Not going to be great for building a brand identity or sense of ownership of the team.

The problems it won’t solve are Kildare and Meath’s growing population advantages over Laois, Wexford etc.which is the same ticking time bomb Dublin’s advantages were 30 years ago.

[Lar Naparka]

if dublin is split does that mean the club teams will be split aswell so we could see a north dublin club championship

Presumably. How many clubs in the Corpo area? I make it 14 or so, with 4 senior football and 5 hurling. So the Central Dublin Capitals become, by a mile, the smallest county by participation and club numbers

The Dun Laoighre Kingsmen are a mid level hurling power and the Fingal Flyers and South Dublin Moneyballs both are decent football teams with zero fans.
Who pays for your facilities if your cash cow has less players than Leitrim?

I agree with you here. Just splitting Dublin, in any number of units, could cause more problems than it would solve.
But it is important to remember that at least 90 per cent of the population of Leitrim follow GAA affairs, whereas only 10 per cent at most of Dubs do likewise.
I have said before that the greater Finglas area has roughly the same size population as County Cavan but, to all intents and purposes, Finglas has only one that counts, Erin’s Isle, a mid- sized senior club and about middle of the ranking.
Leitrim won’t win an AI but the future of the GAA is more assured
than it is in Dublin and not just Finglas.
So, should Dublin be split or not be split, that is the question, as Shakespeare might put it.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Solves the problem of Dublin’s advantages but causes or doesn’t solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

One of your four counties has 14 odd clubs, a second 5.

[armaghniac]

I am not advocating any particular boundaries for a Dublin split, so comments about nunber of clubs does not refute my point.
However, more clubs in Dublin are badly needed also.

[Rossfan]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Solves the problem of Dublin’s advantages but causes or doesn’t solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

One of your four counties has 14 odd clubs, a second 5.

Time for Volunteers to work harder
And how many playing members would those clubs have?

[Never beat the deeler]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Are you suggesting that Dublin planned the Famine?!

[armaghniac]

No, but as I pointed out before the present population differences were much less when the GAA chose to use counties. Clubs are supposed to be the bedrock of the GAA but they both subdivide and join and if an area has population growth it should have more clubs. Why should counties be immutable?

[Rossfan]

Back in the 1880s of horse drawn and steam train transport and postal communication only The County-Provincial- National idea of Governance and consequent competition was the only logical way to run an organisation.
With the vast differences in populations among the Counties nowadays plus e communication etc there isn't much logic in the County system or Provincial Councils either.
However  County loyalty is embedded emotionally in GAA people so hard to see it ever changing for represenative gaelic games.
Maybe possible in the lower ranks of hurling where interest in hurling is negligible but not likely in football.

However if the Dublin juggernaut goes on to 9 or 10 in a row the growing lack of interest and €€€€€€s may cause some rethinking.

[Lar Naparka]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Are you suggesting that Dublin planned the Famine?!

What?? Are you suggesting them conniving bastards didn't?

[Baile Brigín 2]

Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845

Solves the problem of Dublin’s advantages but causes or doesn’t solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

One of your four counties has 14 odd clubs, a second 5.

Time for Volunteers to work harder
And how many playing members would those clubs have?

The county of Dun Laoighre Rathdown has 218,000 souls. 7th most populous county in the land. More than Limerick, Armagh, Kerry, Mayo, Tipp, Kilkenny and so on.

It has 9 GAA clubs out of  the 134 in Dublin. You have Crokes, a huge club that traditionally was the whole catchment area. The original superclub. You have Cuala, a small club set up in the 70s having the GDP of a small African nation pumped in to give the real Dublin money a club. We can discuss bang for buck, but it has worked.

Then you have Olafs and Balinteer ST Johns, mid sized, decent, clubs.

The rest are 9th division public park stuff.

So you have 3 senior hurling and 4 football.

By contrast,  there are 27 soccer clubs, 2 are semi pro.

How the fock does that translate to a county setup?

[Rossfan]

Volunteers need to work harder
How many of the 39,000 registered playing members in Dublin are with DLR Clubs?
More than in Leitrim or Fermanagh I suspect.

[Tubberman]

They have the population to set up many more clubs, it's not an issue of population or potential playing numbers.
If they were split, I'm sure that would be resolved very quickly.