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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2085 on: July 29, 2020, 08:00:30 PM »
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.

Like everything else that is fading. Many get transfers to city clubs where they are working. Franchise teams will see players play inter-county only. This will see us evolve into a model like Rugby have without the International option.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2086 on: July 29, 2020, 08:11:37 PM »
The lack of International competition is one thing that will stop professional/franchise teams.
Some lads can be very quick to hop to the nearest Senior Club sadly :-\
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« Reply #2087 on: July 30, 2020, 07:40:19 AM »
The lack of International competition is one thing that will stop professional/franchise teams.
Some lads can be very quick to hop to the nearest Senior Club sadly :-\

The franchise teams won't be professional, they'll just be an upgrade of how inter-county players are taken care of today. There'll be less teams in the inter-county system. So there will be more money to go around to these teams.

As well as pumping in ordinate amounts of money into Dublin GAA the Super 8's and two tier championship are the beginning stages of this.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2088 on: July 30, 2020, 08:50:38 AM »
Would you class Kerry's County Championship as a "Franchise" system?
Or are you just talking amalgamation of small or hurling Counties in the AI football championship?
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2089 on: July 30, 2020, 09:07:46 AM »
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.

The thing is watching Liverpool and the premier league is very entertaining. Watching intercounty football is no longer entertaining as it is too predictable and one-sided.


You can go on for ever about the great model of lads playing for their home county but at the end of the day the first function of elite sport is to entertain the masses.

Intercounty Gaelic football no longer achieves this baseline requirement compared to how it did 10, 20 years ago.

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« Reply #2090 on: July 30, 2020, 11:02:47 AM »
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.

The thing is watching Liverpool and the premier league is very entertaining. Watching intercounty football is no longer entertaining as it is too predictable and one-sided.


You can go on for ever about the great model of lads playing for their home county but at the end of the day the first function of elite sport is to entertain the masses.

Intercounty Gaelic football no longer achieves this baseline requirement compared to how it did 10, 20 years ago.

Thats because of tactics and rule tinkering.

Do you think ending every team people support and making them pick new franchises will fix that? Not interested in Sligo? Go and watch the West Coast Warriors. Dublin too strong? Enjoy the Fingal Flyers or Dun Laoighre Kingsmen.

Look at what the franchises did to club rugby. Look at how every soccer franchise (Kilkenny, Fingal, Kildare, Dublin City) died on its arse.

Fock. That.

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« Reply #2091 on: July 30, 2020, 11:14:19 AM »
It's not even the fact that the dubs are hammering everyone that makes it so hard to watch. I grew up with it and the tactics that have been brought in by the top teams with all their coaching etc are tactics that teams at every level seem to try to replicate and they just can't and it can lead to some horrendous games.

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« Reply #2092 on: July 30, 2020, 11:27:05 AM »
Well I disagree. If the problem is the game is so hard to watch then it seems strange

1- that games have never been so high scoring.
2- defenders attack and score like never before.

Rule changes in the GAA are largely pointless and are done to keep GAA on top of news content rather than much determination to improve the game.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2093 on: July 30, 2020, 11:41:34 AM »
Seems we simply need to ban tactics 🙄 and turn the playing rules back to...???
If we had different AI winners nearly every year like 90s and Noughties we'd overcome the fact that football may be awful to watch.
You can't have "franchises" in an Amateur sport while the ruggerball had to set up the 4 Professional clubs to keep their best players at home.
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« Reply #2094 on: July 30, 2020, 12:23:02 PM »
Franchises are definitely not going to improve the viewing quality. Nor will it increase likelihood of people wanting to attend games. I can't see too many being interested in the franshise teams. The one thing about following your county, even when they are p!sh poor and the quality is terrible, it's still your county. Manufacturing an identity won't work. Plus it'll never get past county boards. They won't vote for Christmas. 
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« Reply #2095 on: July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM »
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?
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« Reply #2096 on: July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM »
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

 Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.


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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2097 on: July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM »
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

 Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There’s no attachment of place..

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2098 on: July 30, 2020, 02:53:21 PM »
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?
Roscommon is a Tudor era construct + ballagh when they moved - athlone and ballinasloe when  they moved
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #2099 on: July 30, 2020, 03:16:14 PM »
inter-county is the gaa equivalent of international