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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1965 on: September 06, 2019, 10:54:00 PM »
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldnít know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
Iím referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
So it that typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Letís be honest here. When Offaly, Laois and Westmeath won Leinsters in that period, Leinster football was at a very big low. It was like Connacht and Ulster for most of the 70s and 80s. Shite. Still, they were the best in the province at the time and fully deserved their medals. But none of those teams came close to winning an AI semi, never mind a final.

Kildare have a long long history of underperforming. It took an excellent outside manager for them to believe in themselves, and they were quite unlucky not to win Sam IMO. They are coming again. (Personally iíll be betting on them to win Leinster next year, but only if Dubs win the replay).

Meath have been so far below par in the last near decade that itís hard to comprehend. McEntee has them at least performing to their ability, but they are missing a couple of really star players. If they get another Geraghty or Giles they could well become a permanent fixture in the S8.

Is the present Dublin dominance typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?


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« Reply #1966 on: September 06, 2019, 11:15:52 PM »
For weaker counties the All Ireland quest is a joke Dublin and Kerry have 76 or something like that between them  wex tipp Kildare Louth  Cavan Mayo Roscommon Meath Galway Tyrone have another 40 or so between them ,most of them excluding Meath Tyrone and Galway are all early 20th century  so itís been an exclusive club for a long time long before money was an issue ,
20 counties have been pissing again the wind for a long time . There may be an anomaly every now and then but it goes back to order quickly.

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« Reply #1967 on: September 07, 2019, 12:02:24 AM »
For weaker counties the All Ireland quest is a joke Dublin and Kerry have 76 or something like that between them  wex tipp Kildare Louth  Cavan Mayo Roscommon Meath Galway Tyrone have another 40 or so between them ,most of them excluding Meath Tyrone and Galway are all early 20th century  so itís been an exclusive club for a long time long before money was an issue ,
20 counties have been pissing again the wind for a long time . There may be an anomaly every now and then but it goes back to order quickly.
down Offaly also Late 20th

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1968 on: September 07, 2019, 08:15:11 AM »
For weaker counties the All Ireland quest is a joke Dublin and Kerry have 76 or something like that between them  wex tipp Kildare Louth  Cavan Mayo Roscommon Meath Galway Tyrone have another 40 or so between them ,most of them excluding Meath Tyrone and Galway are all early 20th century  so itís been an exclusive club for a long time long before money was an issue ,
20 counties have been pissing again the wind for a long time . There may be an anomaly every now and then but it goes back to order quickly.

So does this mean Ulster will go back to being shit again and have no chance of winning All-Irelands. Oh wait, that's already happened.....
#newbridgeornowhere

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« Reply #1969 on: September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM »
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldnít know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
Iím referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
So it that typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Letís be honest here. When Offaly, Laois and Westmeath won Leinsters in that period, Leinster football was at a very big low. It was like Connacht and Ulster for most of the 70s and 80s. Shite. Still, they were the best in the province at the time and fully deserved their medals. But none of those teams came close to winning an AI semi, never mind a final.

Kildare have a long long history of underperforming. It took an excellent outside manager for them to believe in themselves, and they were quite unlucky not to win Sam IMO. They are coming again. (Personally iíll be betting on them to win Leinster next year, but only if Dubs win the replay).

Meath have been so far below par in the last near decade that itís hard to comprehend. McEntee has them at least performing to their ability, but they are missing a couple of really star players. If they get another Geraghty or Giles they could well become a permanent fixture in the S8.
Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.
Another relevant fact to add to the mix is that in a full decade prior to Bertie opening the stateís purse strings, the spread  of titles was unique - 5 different counties were victorious.
You see no connection whatever between those stats and Bertieís generosity and maybe you are right and Iím being just a jealous culchie but thatís unfair as I am not saying nothing, right?
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1970 on: September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM »

Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

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« Reply #1971 on: September 09, 2019, 12:31:39 PM »

Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???
look at the counties who won before that though, and after (I'm giving 2010 to Louth)

would never happen now

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1972 on: September 09, 2019, 12:41:51 PM »
When will someone else win Leinster again?
Probably Fingal in 2028 :-\
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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« Reply #1973 on: September 09, 2019, 06:29:22 PM »

Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

"In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA."

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/3191859/bertie-ahern-government-grants-saved-dublin-gaa/

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« Reply #1974 on: September 09, 2019, 09:16:54 PM »

Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

"In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA."

So thatís how we won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 ??
Amazing.
Or horseshit.
Take your pick.

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« Reply #1975 on: September 10, 2019, 03:23:15 PM »

Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???
It would be disingenuous to say that games development money was the reason Dublin suddenly grew wings and soared away ahead of the rest of Leinster; it took a lot more than that, including hard work by numerous volunteers and the presence of the likes of the late John Bailey and John Costello. The fact that there were a good number of gifted footballers who were willing to put in the extra work required of them canít be ignored either.
It took graft and astute management to make Dublin the force they are today and it all started back in the mid-noughties.
But it would be total BS to maintain that the only factor that separated Dublin from the rest is the bunch of gifted players who arrived by pure coincidence just in time for the good times to roll in 2011.
In any event, if you are a student of the cause and effect school of logic, it doesnít matter a goddamn why Dublin began mopping up Leinster titles.
In the early noughties, there was a great buzz about intercounty football in Leinster. Apart from the 5 counties than won provincial in the decade prior to 2005, Wexford and to a lesser degree Wicklow, were playing at a very much higher level than they are today or are likely to be any time soon.
There is as much chance that one of the other Leinster counties, including Meath, will suddenly emerge as  realistic candidates for an All Ireland or even a Leinster title as there is of me being the next pope.
The only certainty is that change in the GAA world is inevitable.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1976 on: September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM »

Huh? I wasnít aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
Itís very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

"In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA."

So thatís how we won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 ??
Amazing.
Or horseshit.
Take your pick.

I was just showing you that you were talking sh1te again. You should be showing me some gratitude. You're clueless on this topic and I'm giving you free education.

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last. 

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« Reply #1977 on: September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM »

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

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« Reply #1978 on: September 11, 2019, 01:20:25 PM »


Dublin the only quarter finalists that didn't win one.

Can only imagine the shite that would be on this thread from the board moron if Dublin had won and had 4 or 5 Minor All Stars!

How is the games development funding failing so badly?
Maybe down to the funds go to participation and have nothing to do with the elite panels!

The ladies will be getting it next week if they win 3 in a row. Cork win something like 10 out of 11 All Irelands and they're just great. But if Dublin happen to win 3 in a row it'll be catastrophic!!

Up the duckin fubs!

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« Reply #1979 on: September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM »

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin

Leinsters were being divided amongst Westmeath, Laois, Meath, Kildare, Offaly and Dublin. A wide open championship. Is it wide open now? No, what are the average winning margins for Dublin? Compare that to the Leinster championship pre doping. I think it will sink in eventually.

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