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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #660 on: January 30, 2018, 06:45:58 PM »
Zulu without spending much time on solutions, I have a life, I gave you these last year

1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL with this overspend tax again going to the other counties.

That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.

Again, that's fine and again I think there are issues with those solutions but that's what we should be talking about not having people moaning about Dublin whether they win by 1 point or 10. I expect Kerry to win an All Ireland in the next three years, other counties should be able to match Kerry or Mayo at least, why aren't they?
11 of them have small populations (Ros and Monaghan punching above their weight)
6 of them are hurling Counties (Tipp punching above....)
1 is London.
Tyrone, Donegal, Galway, Down, Cork have matched/beaten Kerry/Mayowestros  this decade.
That leaves Derry, Antrim, Armagh, Meath, Louth, Wicklow and Kildare.
When will GAA HQ decide it's a crisis that Gaelic games aren't  that strong in most of those Counties and start pouring money in?
Will they also allow them to play nearly all their games at home?
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #661 on: January 30, 2018, 06:56:35 PM »
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html   

When the lad who gave half the Dublin panel the S&C programs that turned them from great footballers into great footballers with unrivalled fitness reckons it's gone too far it says something.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #662 on: January 30, 2018, 07:24:18 PM »

11 of them have small populations (Ros and Monaghan punching above their weight)
6 of them are hurling Counties (Tipp punching above....)
1 is London.
Tyrone, Donegal, Galway, Down, Cork have matched/beaten Kerry/Mayowestros  this decade.
That leaves Derry, Antrim, Armagh, Meath, Louth, Wicklow and Kildare.


Kildare have beat both Kerry and Mayo in the league this decade to be fair to us and would not have feared either in the championship in 2010/11. Hard to see them getting back to them levels again though given the psychological trauma regularly inflicted upon us by our wealthy neighbours.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #663 on: January 30, 2018, 07:29:34 PM »
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html   

When the lad who gave half the Dublin panel the S&C programs that turned them from great footballers into great footballers with unrivalled fitness reckons it's gone too far it says something.

Good article and I don't know how any genuine GAA person could argue with him. A fair distribution of funding has to start immediately at the very minimum if there is any chance of inter county football surviving.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #664 on: January 30, 2018, 07:32:48 PM »
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but thereís no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if thereís nothing they can do. I donít buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge Iíve no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

When is the last time Mayo or Kerry have beaten Dublin in championship? You sure are one for the Blinkers!

Blinkers, did you see the word 'matched'? Mayo hit the post from a free to lead with minutes to go in the All Ireland final and you don't think they are matching them? By the way when was the last time Leitrim beat Mayo in the championship? Once you answer that please point me to your belly aching posts about Mayo's advantages re Leitrim?

So keeping up is enough for 2 of the chasing 31 counties to keep you happy? Is it? Lets be just there to entertain Dublin. Lets travel to their Stadium. Lets give them heaps of money because Rugby and Soccer are a threat there and no where else. Lets not ask their players and fans to move out of their comfort zone for the Championship. Lets make things as convenient for their players and fans so they don't have to spend money. Lets have a lad called Zulu to champion them online and ignore any advantages they have.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #665 on: January 30, 2018, 07:39:19 PM »
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.

Iím suggesting that the Irish sports council gave Dublin GAA 5 million over 5 years so the GAA didnít have to come in with financial doping. Dublin got their leg up in the years before 2010. It wasnt fair but it was done so when the GAA are still giving development funding in 2015 and 2016 of 2.5mn and 2.77 million euro a year then it has gone from a leg up to outright financial doping. Take your head out of the sand please.

On a wider point people go on about the sponsorship money like its Dublinís edge on everyone else financially. It is not, Dublinís edge financially is the development grants it gets, far more than the sponsorship. People really donít understand how much Dublin gets from the GAA.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #666 on: January 30, 2018, 07:40:42 PM »
Whatever about Zulu championing them on a forum like this but when you have the National GAA's Chief sounding like he's the Dublin Secretary in his vehement support of the Dublin monster it's time to call a halt.
Only the GAA officers of the other 31 Counties can do that in practice.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #667 on: January 30, 2018, 07:47:14 PM »
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html   

Very slowly, he says dublin might not be the minor or under 21 champions at the moment......they are champion in both...Leinster in minors and Leinster and ireland in under 21..

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #668 on: January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM »
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #669 on: January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM »
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #670 on: January 30, 2018, 07:54:23 PM »
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #671 on: January 30, 2018, 08:04:13 PM »
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another

Fair has nothing to do with it when it comes to Dublin. They'll get to play all three if their away game is v Mayo! :(

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #672 on: January 30, 2018, 08:08:23 PM »
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html   
There are only three inevitability in life; death, taxes and the division of Dublin.
Going by the Ď16 census, 28% of the stateís population are based in Dublin. During his time as the minister for housing, Simon Coveney said in a Newstalk interview that 40% of the people and 50% of the countryís resources are located in the Greater Dublin Area. He also said that half the population would be living there by 2040.
There is no universal definition of what the Greater Dublin Area means but one of Fianna FŠilís long term goals was to have an outer ring road stretching from Drogheda through Navan, Naas and onto Bray or Greystones. (Canít recall which of them.)
Apart from the motorway, the area enclosed would be designated as an enhanced growth region. From what I could make of that and Bertie  could confuse his own mother, never mind a holy innocent like me, that meant commercial and residential development would be concentrated in this area and in other, smaller growth areas in other parts such as Cork and other larger towns.
Itís reasonable to assume that Simon Coveney had the same region in mind when speaking on Newstalk. So Dublin is at the center of a relatively small region of the country and both resources and population percentages can be expected to rise at a greater rate there than in the rest of the GDA.
Itís quite reasonable to assume that by 2040 over 40% of the population will reside in Dublin.
In GAA terms that means there will be only one team to represent that number of people.
Meanwhile life is getting harder for those who live in rural areas in counties along the west coast. Rural depopulation is a feature of life in Mayo, Kerry, Galway  and the others there.
Right now, as Rossfan pointed out, Dublin has twice the population of the entire province of Connacht and the imbalance is accelerating all the while.
You neednít need a degree in rocket science to figure out that what Niall Moyna says has to be true.







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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #673 on: January 30, 2018, 08:10:04 PM »
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
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Both in Croke Park.
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And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another
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Fair has nothing to do with it when it comes to Dublin. They'll get to play all three if their away game is v Mayo! :(
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Thats complete and utter bullshite.Its like Man utd playing all their big games at old trafford.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #674 on: January 30, 2018, 08:22:57 PM »
Good post by Lar
2016 Census - the 11 "little" Counties (est. 35,000 Nat pop in Fermanagh) have a population of 740k. (4.5k per 1st team player)
Dublin 1,339,359. (89k per 1st team player).
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