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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #645 on: January 30, 2018, 02:44:38 PM »
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

Youíre daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #646 on: January 30, 2018, 03:22:29 PM »
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?


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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #647 on: January 30, 2018, 03:33:00 PM »
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?
This already happens. Perhaps this was tongue in cheek?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #648 on: January 30, 2018, 03:45:28 PM »
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?

It might not be realistic given the bend over policy of the GAA to Dublin but if you want fair and equal competitions then they need to be moved out period. Christ imagine the uproar in any other sport where one team got to play all finals, semi-finals and quarter-finals in their home ground yet somehow people in Ireland think this is grand sure what about all the supporters that will miss out. It f*cking amazes me that this actually not a bigger deal.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #649 on: January 30, 2018, 03:52:16 PM »
Ah sure doesn't everyone only love gettin bet by 20 points by Dublin in Croke Park as opposed to 10 in a neutral venue :P
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #650 on: January 30, 2018, 03:55:47 PM »
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

Youíre daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.

Fair enough. What about Kerry Group. Cant see them being happy if their money is going to other counties

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« Reply #651 on: January 30, 2018, 04:22:26 PM »
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

Youíre daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.

Fair enough. What about Kerry Group. Cant see them being happy if their money is going to other counties

OK, we can argue from the particular to the general if you like, but the Kerry Group is not the point. There's no shortage of sponsors anxious to get their names on jerseys for exposure on TV and on the streets, courtesy of the  hundreds of thousands of walking billboard supporters. They don't care, for the most part, which account of the Association their money gets counted in.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #652 on: January 30, 2018, 04:24:34 PM »
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?

It might not be realistic given the bend over policy of the GAA to Dublin but if you want fair and equal competitions then they need to be moved out period. Christ imagine the uproar in any other sport where one team got to play all finals, semi-finals and quarter-finals in their home ground yet somehow people in Ireland think this is grand sure what about all the supporters that will miss out. It f*cking amazes me that this actually not a bigger deal.

I'm afraid we supporters of Leinster teams can't blame the CCCC or any other HQ element for Dublin's Croke Park hegemony as long as delegates from ALL our county boards continue to vote to cede home advantage in return for bigger gate receipts.

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« Reply #653 on: January 30, 2018, 05:02:23 PM »
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

Youíre daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.

Fair enough. What about Kerry Group. Cant see them being happy if their money is going to other counties

OK, we can argue from the particular to the general if you like, but the Kerry Group is not the point. There's no shortage of sponsors anxious to get their names on jerseys for exposure on TV and on the streets, courtesy of the  hundreds of thousands of walking billboard supporters. They don't care, for the most part, which account of the Association their money gets counted in.

I think its a good idea. Im just wondering about the ins and outs of it

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« Reply #654 on: January 30, 2018, 05:12:58 PM »
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.

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« Reply #655 on: January 30, 2018, 05:16:09 PM »
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.

What county are you from?

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« Reply #656 on: January 30, 2018, 05:16:40 PM »
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but thereís no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if thereís nothing they can do. I donít buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge Iíve no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

When is the last time Mayo or Kerry have beaten Dublin in championship? You sure are one for the Blinkers!

Blinkers, did you see the word 'matched'? Mayo hit the post from a free to lead with minutes to go in the All Ireland final and you don't think they are matching them? By the way when was the last time Leitrim beat Mayo in the championship? Once you answer that please point me to your belly aching posts about Mayo's advantages re Leitrim?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #657 on: January 30, 2018, 05:19:34 PM »
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but thereís no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if thereís nothing they can do. I donít buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge Iíve no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

There are issues with that but that's what we need to discuss. Nobody wants to have a one horse sport but there's no easy solution and the GAA is in a difficult spot.

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« Reply #658 on: January 30, 2018, 05:23:35 PM »
Zulu without spending much time on solutions, I have a life, I gave you these last year

1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL with this overspend tax again going to the other counties.

That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.

Again, that's fine and again I think there are issues with those solutions but that's what we should be talking about not having people moaning about Dublin whether they win by 1 point or 10. I expect Kerry to win an All Ireland in the next three years, other counties should be able to match Kerry or Mayo at least, why aren't they?

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