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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #420 on: September 21, 2017, 11:07:48 AM »
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #421 on: September 21, 2017, 11:35:20 AM »
I would venture every Dublin juvenile team is coached by a parent or club loyalist then very same as in Mayo, Rosocmmon, Offaly and anywhere else.

Club teams? Yeah, you'd likely be right - at least I hope! It'd be more than a bit alarming to learn that in Co. Dublin, underage teams are regularly being coached by county board paid development officers!


But what about development officers into primary/secondary schools? Or what about the coaching for the coaches?
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« Reply #422 on: September 21, 2017, 11:48:51 AM »
I would venture every Dublin juvenile team is coached by a parent or club loyalist then very same as in Mayo, Rosocmmon, Offaly and anywhere else.

Club teams? Yeah, you'd likely be right - at least I hope! It'd be more than a bit alarming to learn that in Co. Dublin, underage teams are regularly being coached by county board paid development officers!


But what about development officers into primary/secondary schools? Or what about the coaching for the coaches?

those were the implications made by some like mcKenna........
coaches are coached the very same as the rest of ireland , foundation, level one level 2,  who gives the courses or where is irrelevant
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« Reply #423 on: September 21, 2017, 12:21:46 PM »
Coaching the coaches has a lot of impact. And having a GPO within the club gives easy access to a better standard of coaching for the parents who take on coaching roles. GPO's can also come along to training sessions with the kids once-in-a-while to give a session where both the kids & coaches benefit.

That's not to mention the benefit of a GPO visiting the local primary school at least once a week to coach the kids - that doesn't happen in any other county.

Why doesn't the GAA start investing money in Belfast like they do in Dublin? There's a huge untapped playing base in Belfast. It's like Dublin in that many voluntary coaches have come from rural areas but they don't get anywhere near the same levels of paid support from GPO's etc. as volunteer coaches get in Dublin

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« Reply #424 on: September 21, 2017, 12:29:50 PM »
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs

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« Reply #425 on: September 21, 2017, 12:38:19 PM »
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs


How many clubs have a GPO? Could you name a few? Do some clubs share one?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #426 on: September 21, 2017, 12:41:53 PM »
If the GAA want more big Counties being competitive with Dublin then money needs to go into Belfast/Antrim, Louth,Wicklow and dare we say Kildare and Meath.
Those 5 should be around the same standard as Mayowestros and Donegal/Tyrone based on population figures. In all probability they have higher percentages of under 25s.
Cork occasionally and Kerry usually will also compete for AIs.
As for the rest of us in the little Counties.......occasional appearances in Super 8s will be our lot with the odd Connacht or Ulster title thrown in.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #427 on: September 21, 2017, 12:43:00 PM »
Coaching the coaches has a lot of impact. And having a GPO within the club gives easy access to a better standard of coaching for the parents who take on coaching roles. GPO's can also come along to training sessions with the kids once-in-a-while to give a session where both the kids & coaches benefit.

That's not to mention the benefit of a GPO visiting the local primary school at least once a week to coach the kids - that doesn't happen in any other county.

Why doesn't the GAA start investing money in Belfast like they do in Dublin? There's a huge untapped playing base in Belfast. It's like Dublin in that many voluntary coaches have come from rural areas but they don't get anywhere near the same levels of paid support from GPO's etc. as volunteer coaches get in Dublin

To answer your question .  Antrim GAA is not too big to fail .  The GAA don't need Antrim to fill Croker.  It is that simple .

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« Reply #428 on: September 21, 2017, 12:51:37 PM »
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs


How many clubs have a GPO? Could you name a few? Do some clubs share one?

I dont know the dublin scene closely anymore but i would guess at there being 50 clubs with GPOs and 10 without one and the remaining smaller clubs sharing one. Some clubs have their own locally funded coach in addition also like Ballyboden, Kilmacud and brigids

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #429 on: September 21, 2017, 12:55:00 PM »
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs

Imagine a club having the luxury of been able to contribute to half a GDO's salary. How many clubs in Dublin do this?

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« Reply #430 on: September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM »
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,


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« Reply #431 on: September 21, 2017, 01:00:51 PM »
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #432 on: September 21, 2017, 01:03:50 PM »
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.


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« Reply #433 on: September 21, 2017, 01:08:13 PM »
it can be debated either way and lest there be any mistakes i'm not a dub or living there but have a genuine interest in GAA development debate.

there are more counter acttractions in Dublin than in rural ireland leading to a less of a % playing. Population on its own doesn't tell full picture in a city, a larger proportion are apathetic to GAA or are actively anti GAA.

I proposed the Dublin underage structure of one week football one week hurling with fixtres for u8 up to u12 weekly to the county where i live and was met with 20 excuses why it couldn't work and no delegate prepared to stand back and say why dont we imitate a successful blueprint. I was prepared to give 2 years of my life to implement it fully but its easier to feind excuses than find development in may clubs and counties.

Dublin need the 1.3 million but not at others expenses., Others need it but not at Dublins expense would be my mantra

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #434 on: September 21, 2017, 01:09:10 PM »
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.

davitts are the 2nd highest  sellers / earners from the GAA national draw as an aside