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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #345 on: September 19, 2017, 05:56:06 PM »
show me the facts Syferis about the proportion playing adult football now vs 40 years ago as you seem to know ... I am suggesting its proportionate to then but dont have the facts to prove it and neither was i ramming it down anyone's throat it was the caseo therwise dont go around accusing people who are engaging in constructive debate of taking out of their arses.

also seeing you know so much about dublin how much per player is the GAA centrally giving to Dublin as opposed to the per player contribution in other counties.......fair question if you can deal in hard facts as opposed to cheap lazy Ewan McKenna style unsubstantiated bollixoligy


and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings. Trump at his best couldn;t twist that one around like you have.........

anyways do you not have Junior cert grinds
what other county in Ireland can get a FULL TIME coach into every willing school in the county? and often to coach every class in the school at some stage during the year?
many of them current county players or club senior players?


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« Reply #346 on: September 19, 2017, 06:03:49 PM »
and who is paying for that....................

half the cost is paid by the local club who have to fundraise for it............ in most instances the coach is in any given school one day a week and come back to me with the names of the senior intercounty players working in that role,

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« Reply #347 on: September 19, 2017, 06:08:00 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong but was the whole Leinster Rugby bogeyman one of the main reasons why the Dubs got so much backing?
The Dubs are at a stage where they are self-sufficient and their success could continue even without the finances coming in from the GAA or any other Government grants.
In the meantime rugby has spread further and the commuter counties are all on the bandwagon while the GAA teams have been left to be crushed under the blue wave.
them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

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« Reply #348 on: September 19, 2017, 09:48:55 PM »
and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings.

Just to confirm, you'd be happy for the Dublin County Board to hand back much of the money they get from central council back for redistribution in other counties?


[seeing as you consider this money to be unimportant...]
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« Reply #349 on: September 20, 2017, 09:18:59 AM »
This is a great read lads, please continue....

One point, I posted it on another thread before I see this, Dublin, 1 minor in over 20 years, beaten by Derry this year and Meath, u-17s beaten by Meath. Or does money only start winning you things at U-21.

If you are worried about domination of the game, id worry about Kerry, once this Dublin team is gone, Kerry will take over, some counties will never ever win an all Ireland or some will not compete at the latter stages of it, look at the history of the GAA , the semis and finals, there is a pattern to the teams that are there or there abouts every year.

If I were you lot, id go down to your local club and start coaching, its easy to learn how to coach the basics of the game, its a simple game to play. Let me know how you all get on.

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« Reply #350 on: September 20, 2017, 10:58:23 AM »
and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings.

Just to confirm, you'd be happy for the Dublin County Board to hand back much of the money they get from central council back for redistribution in other counties?


[seeing as you consider this money to be unimportant...]

Firtstly i'm not from dublin and have no gra for any team dominating but the money thing is a red herring. I dont see why Dublin would return any money tbh., the grants received per playing head are no greater than anywhere else are they. I equallly have no problem with increased grants to other counties to help them develop further.

But it is cheap and lazy to think that money is the cause of success........ the dublin football success is built on developing good un21 and seriously good seniors form moderate minor teams really. Its also built on most clubs being run by lin many cases country men who are putting huge hours into club and game development. I know several who are clocking up 30 clujb hours a week in addition to having a job......

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« Reply #351 on: September 20, 2017, 11:07:09 AM »
and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings.

Just to confirm, you'd be happy for the Dublin County Board to hand back much of the money they get from central council back for redistribution in other counties?


[seeing as you consider this money to be unimportant...]

Firtstly i'm not from dublin and have no gra for any team dominating but the money thing is a red herring. I dont see why Dublin would return any money tbh., the grants received per playing head are no greater than anywhere else are they. I equallly have no problem with increased grants to other counties to help them develop further.

But it is cheap and lazy to think that money is the cause of success........ the dublin football success is built on developing good un21 and seriously good seniors form moderate minor teams really. Its also built on most clubs being run by lin many cases country men who are putting huge hours into club and game development. I know several who are clocking up 30 clujb hours a week in addition to having a job......

So, say we were able to give you a figure that showed that Dublin got much more investment per playing head, you'd accept that it's unfair?
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« Reply #352 on: September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM »
Like this?



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« Reply #353 on: September 20, 2017, 11:19:41 AM »
absolutely i'd accept it as unfair and that if it was the case all other should have at least that amount per playing head

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« Reply #354 on: September 20, 2017, 11:22:22 AM »
absolutely i'd accept it as unfair and that if it was the case all other should have at least that amount per playing head

That's all I'm advocating for. I don't want to punish Dublin for being good at using their money. I don't even want to split them up or whinge about jobs and facilities and home advantages. That's part of the beauty of beating them.

But Jaysus at least let the GAA itself not handicap the other counties by giving Dublin a huge headstart in their development. Even if the raw numbers are different, at least balance out the Per Player funding.

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« Reply #355 on: September 20, 2017, 11:23:10 AM »
AZ

does that include all juveniles ??

an interesting map But I find it hard to believe Cork accept the lowest grants in the country though

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« Reply #356 on: September 20, 2017, 11:26:43 AM »
It's not my graphic, but it does illustrate numbers I've read elsewhere. This is the one they are putting for registered players. I'd say it does include juveniles though because if you look at Tipperary say, and said there were 50 clubs. If each club fielded 3 adult teams, and each team had a full panel of 30, that would still only add up to 4,500, and the Tipp figure is 15,000


 
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« Reply #357 on: September 20, 2017, 11:32:51 AM »
Seriously low number of registered players in Dublin is it not?

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« Reply #358 on: September 20, 2017, 11:37:02 AM »
39k registered players in a population of 1,300,000 - about 3%. Sligo has approx 5k in a population of circa 60,000 - about 8.3%.

Maybe they need more money, still underperforming.  :P

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« Reply #359 on: September 20, 2017, 11:41:16 AM »
Seriously low number of registered players in Dublin is it not?

I don't know Seanie. I don't think Dublin has massive amount of clubs compared to the likes of Cork. I know some of the clubs have massive numbers alright, but then other clubs have much smaller numbers with no parish rule or whatever. Big clubs like Kilmacud, Vincents, Brigids and the like probably have massive numbers.

Again if we do the maths, there's approx 90 clubs in Dublin going by their website (including clubs like AIB, BOI etc).

39,000 divided by 90 is about 430 each. I'd imagine when you factor in big clubs and smaller clubs, that's about right.