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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #300 on: September 18, 2017, 04:19:21 PM »
lots of this can be sorted by Croke park.

one or 2 centralised jersey sponsor for all counties, local commercial deals like AIG / Kerry etc out the window and split the pot according to need not accoring to population or club numbers. D4 and D3 teams get greater share to enable genuine development

all counties then entitled to  develop local deals like subaru cars, gibson hotels, benetti suits etc.........
I'm not sure how this would be done but I think the idea is correct. The AIG money, for example, should not be allowed to go to Dublin GAA in full.

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« Reply #301 on: September 18, 2017, 04:20:40 PM »
not too sure either but i think the concept is solid.

yes AIG sponsor every county jersey is my idea

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« Reply #302 on: September 18, 2017, 05:55:36 PM »
Dublin won the All Ireland by a point yesterday after looking for much of the game as though they would lose it. So your congratulations and best wishes lads are much appreciated.

The winning point was scored by Dean Rock the son of an All Ireland winner. The RTÉ man of the match was James McCarthy the son of another All Ireland winner. Now there's no way these lads would be playing Gaelic Football if it wasn't for the money.
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« Reply #303 on: September 18, 2017, 06:13:03 PM »
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Nor me. And if the difference between teams was based on cash spent on development, how come Kerry have won the last four Minor titles and not Dublin.  Thats where the coaching money should be seen first if it really is a factor.

This is utter nonsense in the face of Dublin winning so many underage Leinsters and AIs in recent years, and for the fact it's always easier for smaller counties to compete at underage than senior where the coaching and set-ups grow even more professional. Dublin can be beat at minor, but not senior. That not tell you something about what's happening between those grades?

I get someone like Ferron is trying to court attention with daftness like the above but I expect better from you.
Meath has a current population of over 190K and Kildare of 220K. Both are counties with long and deeply established GAA roots. Both counties are well economically better of than the average, are short distance from Dublin in terms of work and college and have access to wealthy companies for sponsorship. Mayo by comparison has 130K, little industry  and long distances from colleges. If money is the difference then both Meath and Kildare should be our-performing Mayo at all levels. But they are not. Counties need to look at their own short-comings before they go looking for soft answers like the money spent in putting games officers into primary schools in Dublin.

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« Reply #304 on: September 18, 2017, 06:15:39 PM »
Money is the default excuse for all under achieving counties.  I'm based in limericks where the ultimate gaa sugar daddy reigns and it isn't translating to senior  success

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« Reply #305 on: September 18, 2017, 06:22:57 PM »
Dublin won the All Ireland by a point yesterday after looking for much of the game as though they would lose it. So your congratulations and best wishes lads are much appreciated.

The winning point was scored by Dean Rock the son of an All Ireland winner. The RTÉ man of the match was James McCarthy the son of another All Ireland winner. Now there's no way these lads would be playing Gaelic Football if it wasn't for the money.
From Stephen Rochford down, there is no one in Mayo who doesn't accept that we were beaten by a great team yesterday. The work being done for example in Ballymun Kickhams by Christie and others pre-dates all this blather about development money. Ignore the begrudgers and enjoy the three-in a row. Hopefully we'll have another crack at stopping it becoming four as we did to the equally great Galway three in a row side fifty years ago.

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« Reply #306 on: September 18, 2017, 06:49:11 PM »
Amazes me how some people just don't know or don't want to know how talent identity, talent development, elite development and elite preparation works in sport. Sport is a multi-billion euro industry, if winning is somehow just left to culture and wanting it more then someone somewhere is wasting an awful lot money .
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #307 on: September 18, 2017, 07:15:42 PM »
Dublin won the All Ireland by a point yesterday after looking for much of the game as though they would lose it. So your congratulations and best wishes lads are much appreciated.

The winning point was scored by Dean Rock the son of an All Ireland winner. The RTÉ man of the match was James McCarthy the son of another All Ireland winner. Now there's no way these lads would be playing Gaelic Football if it wasn't for the money.

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« Reply #308 on: September 18, 2017, 07:32:17 PM »
Dublin always had the population advantage yes but what they didn't have was the financial resources behind them to get organised, get dozens of coaches out there to schools, etc, etc.

Population on it's own guarantees nothing but population + money and organisation is hard to beat.

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« Reply #309 on: September 18, 2017, 07:34:58 PM »
Money can't buy commitment,composure,discipline and determination,the four basic qualities Dublin had yesterday to see them home.Jim Gavin must now be considered the best manager of all time.But for an uncharacteristic miscalculation against Donegal in 2014, he would already be celebrating five in a row.Had he been manager of Mayo yesterday,I have no doubt they would have won.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #310 on: September 18, 2017, 07:42:51 PM »
Selecting O'Gara to start an All Ireland Final knocks a few points off him in the "Best manager of all time" contest.
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« Reply #311 on: September 18, 2017, 07:43:06 PM »
Gavin had a serious miscalculation in team selection yesterday also

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« Reply #312 on: September 18, 2017, 08:04:01 PM »
He rectified the things that weren't working successfully.That's what makes him such a great manager.I read an interesting article,that his profession means he spends a lot of time in the air,and has developed coolness and composure by necessity and humility,and he inculcates these qualities into the team,to great effect.

Do you think Pillar Caffrey would have win four All Irelands with this Dublin team?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #313 on: September 18, 2017, 08:24:37 PM »
Money can't buy commitment,composure,discipline and determination,the four basic qualities Dublin had yesterday to see them home.Jim Gavin must now be considered the best manager of all time.But for an uncharacteristic miscalculation against Donegal in 2014, he would already be celebrating five in a row.Had he been manager of Mayo yesterday,I have no doubt they would have won.

Money can buy all of the above. It can buy the people to set up the above structures. As for the tactical Substitutions. Jez, how many county teams can bring on players of the caliber of Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Kevin McManamon,Bernard Brogan, Niall Scully and Cormac Costello. It's easy make these calls when the players are there.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #314 on: September 18, 2017, 09:18:28 PM »
He rectified the things that weren't working successfully.That's what makes him such a great manager.I read an interesting article,that his profession means he spends a lot of time in the air,and has developed coolness and composure by necessity and humility,and he inculcates these qualities into the team,to great effect.

Do you think Pillar Caffrey would have win four All Irelands with this Dublin team?

Hard to say but I think Pat Gilroy is the link .