Money, Dublin and the GAA

[armaghniac]

“Put bluntly, extra funding for other counties should not come at the direct expense of Dublin’s games development initiatives"

I agree. The problems is not the development on the base, but the effect the success of that development has on representative teams that draw from a much larger population than elsewhere in the country. 

[mayoaremagic]

Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.

[manfromdelmonte]

[manfromdelmonte]

Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.

One club dominating in a county for 5 years plus doesn't auger well for the county team.
similarly, one team dominating nationally will not be good for the GAA

[Avondhu star]

Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.

One club dominating in a county for 5 years plus doesn't auger well for the county team.
similarly, one team dominating nationally will not be good for the GAA

What have the likes of Meath Kildare Offaly done to change the system. At present they are only providing pre Quarter Final training sessions for Dublin

[Kuwabatake Sanjuro]

It is already 16 years since a Leinster county apart from Dublin reached an AI final. There is no hope in the foreseeable future of that changing. Leinster football is in terminal decline at the moment and it could be argued is already dead.

 

[manfromdelmonte]

It is already 16 years since a Leinster county apart from Dublin reached an AI final. There is no hope in the foreseeable future of that changing. Leinster football is in terminal decline at the moment and it could be argued is already dead.

where has the majority of development funding gone?

[Lar Naparka]

It is already 16 years since a Leinster county apart from Dublin reached an AI final. There is no hope in the foreseeable future of that changing. Leinster football is in terminal decline at the moment and it could be argued is already dead.

where has the majority of development funding gone?

To Dublin of course. I put up this link a while ago but it's still relevant today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-gaelic-games-equality-problem-is-getting-worse-1.2967169

This is what John Costello, the Dubs' chief exec and a decent man to boot, had to say in his annual report.
“Put bluntly, extra funding for other counties should not come at the direct expense of Dublin’s games development initiatives. Bleed that well dry and it won’t be long before soccer and rugby make inroads back into terrain that Dublin GAA has fought, tooth and nail, to colonise in the first place.”

If that attitude prevails, who the hell will be able to compete with the Dubs? Will All Irelands be between Dublin and Dublin Reserves

[Dinny Breen]

Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.

One club dominating in a county for 5 years plus doesn't auger well for the county team.
similarly, one team dominating nationally will not be good for the GAA

What have the likes of Meath Kildare Offaly done to change the system. At present they are only providing pre Quarter Final training sessions for Dublin

Ha! Dublin hammer Mayo and somehow it's a Leinster problem, I thought the concensus was that this a GAA problem, created and sustained by the GAA. Sure I suppose teams need to work harder and start producing natural born footballers.

[Avondhu star]

Money for jam
No wonder there's a gambling problem in the Gaa.
200 double on Waterford Dublin is nice one

[manfromdelmonte]

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/doing-nothing-is-not-an-option-as-vanishing-clubs-reflect-growing-malaise-35502751.html

There are 20 fewer GAA clubs in Leinster, outside of Dublin, than there were 40 years ago, despite a massive population increase in the province over the same period.

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Most clubs down the province never see a full time GAA coach

Every GAA club in Dublin either has their own full time coach or share a full time coach.
The difference between clubs in Dublin and elsewhere is stark.

There are large urban areas in Kildare, Meath, Laois, Westmeath, Offaly, Kilkenny, Wexford, Louth, Carlow not getting the same treatment as urban Dublin

[Dinny Breen]

Youngest team left in the semi-finals, has the penny dropped yet? Will anyone be surprised if the beat Mayo by 10?

[Syferus]

Youngest team left in the semi-finals, has the penny dropped yet? Will anyone be surprised if the beat Mayo by 10?

Sure it's all just a cycle. As Zulu says, it's up to the rest to keep up.



So this is how gaelic football dies.

[RedHand88]

Is this really any different from Kerry in the 80s or Dublin in the 70s?

[weareros]

Money not the issue. You could give the smaller populations gazillions and it would make no difference. There is an in-built inequity in population size and amount of players involved in club football, and add to that the exodus of young people from thinly populated rural counties due to lack of opportunity and the growing global trend towards urbanization. However, when you bring it up, you'll get the usual:

Sure look at smaller populated counties like Monaghan punching above their weight
Sure look at the competition larger counties have from other sports: rugby, soccer, basketball
Sure look at an Ulster county like Tyrone where nearly half have no interest in GAA for political reasons (the nationalist pop is still 5 x the pop of Leitrim)
Sure look at at counties with large populations and they are shite (Kildare, Meath, Wicklow, etc)

Again the likes of AIG could throw money at rural counties with small populations. It would make no difference. The system based on the English county system is unfair at its foundations. Money, however, is amplifying the issue and the only counties with a realistic chance of winning Sam Maguire are counties with a population of 100k and above. We are unlikely to ever see an Offaly 1981 again. So you'll have lots of counties that will lose more interest every year. There's a few like Ros where we are still a bit fanatical. But that will die too. However, if a Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or Tyrone win an All-Ireland in 2025 and the rest of the country doesn't give a shit, despite a glowing report for the 70 dying boomers who still read the newspaper, it will have about the same value as winning best turnip at the Strokestown agricultural show. And so passeth the glory of Sam.