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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #135 on: October 20, 2016, 11:32:04 AM »
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How you link for that? How can the rest of us compete with that when players have helicoptors on standby.

If there was anything incorrect about it, then the Dublin mafia on here would long since have contradicted it.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #136 on: October 20, 2016, 12:10:17 PM »
So true

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« Reply #137 on: October 20, 2016, 01:32:26 PM »
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Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

OK .... i'll start with the most recent 3 Mayo ones ... can you do the same for Dublin please ?
2013: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls
2014: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf
2015: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf

I'm not interested in the population discussion. I'm interested in the money side of things and not just the coaching money (which has been put to excellent use in fairness but is not a level playing field either as we all know)
How is it that Ciaran Kilkenny can spend 2 week in Donegal doing teacher training in weeks leading up to the draw but can get flown down to training via helicopter.... who pays for that? The Dublin based Mayo boys of course criss-crossing the country - half the time squeezed into back seats - for 4 hours each way with 20+ hours driving between draw and replay either to Castlebar (or once to Athlone).

Dublin have a level of professionalism that even Tomas O'Se doesn't understand.
It reminds of when Emilyn Mulligan was interviewed before they played Roscommon and said that since the new Leitrim training facility opened that the Leitrim senior team lacked for absolutely nothing. Nonsense of course... more a case of him not knowing what he didn't have.
Same with Mayo - players are apparently happy with everything they have - setup, facilities, etc, etc. Would they though prefer the Ciaran Kilkenny mode of transport for travelling down from Dublin & elsewhere for training.............


Oh and the population .... we would have won the All-Ireland in 1841 v Dublin ...  :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin
Dublin population 372,000.
Mayo population 388,000
Interestingly the NFL puts limits on things like private jet transport to stop some of the avenues where the big franchises lever their advantage over the smaller ones.
Should the GAA think about similar measures. All travel expenses being paid out of a central fund for example.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #138 on: October 20, 2016, 02:15:38 PM »
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Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

OK .... i'll start with the most recent 3 Mayo ones ... can you do the same for Dublin please ?
2013: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls
2014: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf
2015: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf

I'm not interested in the population discussion. I'm interested in the money side of things and not just the coaching money (which has been put to excellent use in fairness but is not a level playing field either as we all know)
How is it that Ciaran Kilkenny can spend 2 week in Donegal doing teacher training in weeks leading up to the draw but can get flown down to training via helicopter.... who pays for that? The Dublin based Mayo boys of course criss-crossing the country - half the time squeezed into back seats - for 4 hours each way with 20+ hours driving between draw and replay either to Castlebar (or once to Athlone).

Dublin have a level of professionalism that even Tomas O'Se doesn't understand.
It reminds of when Emilyn Mulligan was interviewed before they played Roscommon and said that since the new Leitrim training facility opened that the Leitrim senior team lacked for absolutely nothing. Nonsense of course... more a case of him not knowing what he didn't have.
Same with Mayo - players are apparently happy with everything they have - setup, facilities, etc, etc. Would they though prefer the Ciaran Kilkenny mode of transport for travelling down from Dublin & elsewhere for training.............


Oh and the population .... we would have won the All-Ireland in 1841 v Dublin ...  :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin
Dublin population 372,000.
Mayo population 388,000
Interestingly the NFL puts limits on things like private jet transport to stop some of the avenues where the big franchises lever their advantage over the smaller ones.
Should the GAA think about similar measures. All travel expenses being paid out of a central fund for example.
I knew the Roscommon bus would come up at some stage......

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #141 on: October 20, 2016, 05:22:47 PM »
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D





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« Reply #142 on: October 20, 2016, 05:31:24 PM »
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D

The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams.  What a helicopter has to do with that I do not know.  Ray Cosgrove is coaching an U14 development panel this year. If he coaches the players in the right way, when they potentially make the dublin senior team it won't be because of nutritionists, pilots, doctors but time and commitment on the part of player/coaches.


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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #143 on: October 20, 2016, 06:31:42 PM »
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D

The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams.  What a helicopter has to do with that I do not know.  Ray Cosgrove is coaching an U14 development panel this year. If he coaches the players in the right way, when they potentially make the dublin senior team it won't be because of nutritionists, pilots, doctors but time and commitment on the part of player/coaches.
same as in every county.


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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #144 on: October 20, 2016, 06:55:21 PM »
Dublin have plenty of money to spend on spin too. The media is full of propaganda on how it's due to talent not money the last week.

If footballing success were simply down to money Kildare wouldn't be waiting ninety years for All Ireland success.
I remember Dublin City in the Rare Old Times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T7OaDDR7i8

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #145 on: October 20, 2016, 07:23:16 PM »
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D

The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams.  What a helicopter has to do with that I do not know.  Ray Cosgrove is coaching an U14 development panel this year. If he coaches the players in the right way, when they potentially make the dublin senior team it won't be because of nutritionists, pilots, doctors but time and commitment on the part of player/coaches.
You must be joking! ;D
The heading of the article iin Hoganstand is "Jayo - Dubs backroom team not paid"
The picture is captioned "Former greats Mick Deegan and Jason Sherlock now part of the Dublin back room team."
Further on: "A photograph emerged after the All-Ireland final showing a 23-strong backroom team celebrating the Dubs' fourth Sam Maguire Cup success in six seasons. It was an image that caused envy in other counties and led to claims that the Dubs' success is being bankrolled. But 'Jayo' doesn't agree:
Now what would any rational reader take all this to mean?

Now you wrote:"The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams."
That is certainly not what the article says, twist it anyway you want. Anyway, what's newsworthy about ex-county players devoting time to coaching youngsters? You'll get that in every county.
The Examiner piece is even more unequivocal: "Jason Sherlock: Volunteers, not cash, driving Dublin's success"
But the craic gets even better: "Boss Jim Gavin headed the backroom team though the picture also included medical, nutrition, media, statistical, video, and various coaching experts."

Any mention in either article of underage coaching? ;D



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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #146 on: October 20, 2016, 09:38:43 PM »
What is the standard number in terms of back room teams? If Dublin have 23, what do Mayo, Kerry etc have?

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« Reply #147 on: October 20, 2016, 10:06:40 PM »
What is the standard number in terms of back room teams? If Dublin have 23, what do Mayo, Kerry etc have?
2016 Mayo back room was...
Rochford, Tony McEntee, Donie Buckley, Sean Carey, S&C x 2, Doctor, Physio x 2, Massseuse, nutritionist, stats analyst x2 , logistics, media, psychologist, kitman.....17

Considerably smaller than circus of 2015 under H&C
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« Reply #148 on: October 21, 2016, 12:16:10 AM »
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?

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« Reply #149 on: October 23, 2016, 10:27:14 PM »
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?
According to Eamonn Sweeney, the bucko that writes a column for the Sindo, there are 60.
NO ideas about the number in any other county.
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