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« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2016, 02:24:49 PM »
I really donít know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and Iím tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( Thatís no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
ďLack of penetrationĒ was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm OíRourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs donít have this problem to the same degree as they donít start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
From my experience, these GPO's that are with most Dublin clubs spend most of their time in primary schools trying to win the battle for youngsters v soccer and rugby. They'll take a regular PE class during school time and teach basic skills to junior/senior infants and encourage them to join the club.

My lad has been with the local GAA club for 6 years has received 2 training sessions at the club from the GPO in that time. (I know they do help arrange the Cul Camp / Summer Camp thingy for 2 different weeks in the summer, but my lad won't go to them.)
 
From my club's point of view there is a debate each year about whether the cost of the GPO is worth it. (I thought it was the same for any club, that if you put up 50% of the cost, central coffers would fund the rest?). As you can imagine there is plenty of giving out about someone getting paid versus the rest of us volunteers. We've had 3 different GPOs in my time, the first was absolutely useless, the second a complete headcase. The third seems a bit better, although I haven't seen much of him and he's never been at a training session or match involving my son's team.

I don't doubt any of that but surely you can see why the rest of us think  its grossly unfair why your county is benefiting from a huge percentage of the funding?

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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2016, 02:47:23 PM »
That article wasn't a criticism of Dublin. If the GAA offers that money to any other county would they refuse it? Hardly.

The criticism was directed squarely at the GAA. The solution is a well thought out motion to congress, to level the playing field, and not to keep moaning about it.
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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2016, 06:11:41 PM »
That article wasn't a criticism of Dublin. If the GAA offers that money to any other county would they refuse it? Hardly.

The criticism was directed squarely at the GAA. The solution is a well thought out motion to congress, to level the playing field, and not to keep moaning about it.

Who is the GAA ? Do you really believe that its as simple as that. The absolute cronyism in all this is ridiculous. The extent of funding  difference dublin have compared to others when everything is accounted for is f**king mind boggling, its incredible , a different world.
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2016, 07:20:21 PM »
I really donít know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and Iím tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( Thatís no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
ďLack of penetrationĒ was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm OíRourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs donít have this problem to the same degree as they donít start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
From my experience, these GPO's that are with most Dublin clubs spend most of their time in primary schools trying to win the battle for youngsters v soccer and rugby. They'll take a regular PE class during school time and teach basic skills to junior/senior infants and encourage them to join the club.

My lad has been with the local GAA club for 6 years has received 2 training sessions at the club from the GPO in that time. (I know they do help arrange the Cul Camp / Summer Camp thingy for 2 different weeks in the summer, but my lad won't go to them.)
 
From my club's point of view there is a debate each year about whether the cost of the GPO is worth it. (I thought it was the same for any club, that if you put up 50% of the cost, central coffers would fund the rest?). As you can imagine there is plenty of giving out about someone getting paid versus the rest of us volunteers. We've had 3 different GPOs in my time, the first was absolutely useless, the second a complete headcase. The third seems a bit better, although I haven't seen much of him and he's never been at a training session or match involving my son's team.
I thought that in the Dublin area the policy was for the GPO to coach the coaches, as it were and to see that  a uniform coaching system was used throughout the club. I think the idea is that each club availing of the services of A GPO would supply another to be paid by the club.
I don't know if the scheme is well-implemented or not as I don't have a direct link to any club anymore. But when the practice of employing coaches was introduced, one of my ex-pupils was selected and he told me that what he was getting was the equivalent of what would be paid to anyone on a FŠs course at the time.


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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM »
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

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« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2016, 09:57:43 PM »
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

my point is it cost over 6million quid. Not exactly peanuts is it


Of course its not peanuts. We are lights years ahead of most in respect of getting our own funding due to ground breaking intitiatives put in place by key people in late 90's. It is easy building funding during the good times which we did do and invested wisely. Its a bigger struggle every year now.

We get very little from the gaa as the stats show. In any event i am not on about tyrone i am on about less successful counties whoi need money and guidance from the gaa if we want to keep this competitive.

The gAA need dublin but dublin need the gaa and its all one way at the minute. Where is the joy in winning a one horse race. I suspect most of your fans who are plastic down care but the true gaa fans will see where this is going

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2016, 08:23:14 AM »
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.
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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2016, 08:38:52 AM »
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.

Ok I'm going to ask you this once more. I'm a Kildare man and I'm not aware of how much McGeeneys extraordinary wages when he was in Kildare.

Can you provide a link and proof of how much he was supposedly on?


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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2016, 08:44:28 AM »
To be fair to the GAA they realised that the financial health of the association was inextricably linked to having a strong Dublin football team .  It meant big CP crowds , glamour etc.  They channeled those resources accordingly .   


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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2016, 08:46:37 AM »
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.

Ok I'm going to ask you this once more. I'm a Kildare man and I'm not aware of how much McGeeneys extraordinary wages when he was in Kildare.

Can you provide a link and proof of how much he was supposedly on?

Did no one ask him at the Croke Park legends tour ?  ;)

If you want to know ask Kildare County board to open the books but doubt that will happen as they would be terrified of what people would see.

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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2016, 08:57:55 AM »
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.

Ok I'm going to ask you this once more. I'm a Kildare man and I'm not aware of how much McGeeneys extraordinary wages when he was in Kildare.

Can you provide a link and proof of how much he was supposedly on?

Did no one ask him at the Croke Park legends tour ?  ;)

If you want to know ask Kildare County board to open the books but doubt that will happen as they would be terrified of what people would see.

I'm asking you because you made the allegation.

Or are you just like your old foe 'Spewan' - a spoofer and a liar.

Can you provide the figures or not?

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2016, 08:58:23 AM »
The Kildare Co Board finances are a separate issue and has a "look over there " element to it.  The bottom line is that a grossly disproportionate amount of money has been pumped in to Dublin by HQ.  The money was put in as people thought there would be a "dividend".  To be honest imho it might be one of the least significant of the great many advantages Dublin now have .

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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2016, 09:00:06 AM »
The Spewan things is unfunny , childish and playing the man . Fwiw I would not be a massive fan of EMK.

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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2016, 09:01:00 AM »
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

In fairness, I think that's what most people's idea of a GDOs. The net effect of what you describe though is that more young players join clubs and that filters up to the county team.  I understand the idea of it in the wider context of dublin being a big "battleground" for the GAA against rugby/soccer but they should try spreading out the spending a bit more to create a bit of balance.

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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2016, 09:04:20 AM »
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

my point is it cost over 6million quid. Not exactly peanuts is it


Of course its not peanuts. We are lights years ahead of most in respect of getting our own funding due to ground breaking intitiatives put in place by key people in late 90's. It is easy building funding during the good times which we did do and invested wisely. Its a bigger struggle every year now.

We get very little from the gaa as the stats show. In any event i am not on about tyrone i am on about less successful counties whoi need money and guidance from the gaa if we want to keep this competitive.

The gAA need dublin but dublin need the gaa and its all one way at the minute. Where is the joy in winning a one horse race. I suspect most of your fans who are plastic down care but the true gaa fans will see where this is going

fair enough, i was reading there and seen a lot of it was self funding and not handouts, thats great.
And, Im from Armagh although we have had our fair share of plastic fans in the past