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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1680 on: June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM »
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GAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublinís easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe itís in the process of being fixed now, but thereís definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

Iíd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian OíSullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1681 on: June 15, 2019, 11:02:26 PM »
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GAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublinís easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe itís in the process of being fixed now, but thereís definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

Iíd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian OíSullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

You will have trickles of above average players coming through in a county as big as Dublin with or without the help of money. The key is the above average amount of young players that surround these players in the Dublin squad. You will notice that the Dublin team is now regenerating year on year.  This is where the money makes the difference.

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« Reply #1682 on: June 16, 2019, 08:39:21 AM »
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GAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublinís easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe itís in the process of being fixed now, but thereís definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

Iíd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian OíSullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1683 on: June 16, 2019, 05:07:34 PM »
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GAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublinís easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe itís in the process of being fixed now, but thereís definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

Iíd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian OíSullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Fair comment Dinny
My honest belief is your mistaken re the GDOs having anything to do with the depth of the panel. But of course impossible to prove either way.
My view is that once players are out of minor theyíre straight into serious football at Div 1 and 2, every team going 3 or 4 sessions/matches per week. And weíre losing less players to soccer and other sports than ever before, where other counties are possibly losing more. And our club structures is a huge part of that, a calendar laid out in January and stuck to, and high quality games guaranteed.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1685 on: June 17, 2019, 09:54:53 AM »
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GAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublinís easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe itís in the process of being fixed now, but thereís definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

Iíd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian OíSullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Fair comment Dinny
My honest belief is your mistaken re the GDOs having anything to do with the depth of the panel. But of course impossible to prove either way.
My view is that once players are out of minor theyíre straight into serious football at Div 1 and 2, every team going 3 or 4 sessions/matches per week. And weíre losing less players to soccer and other sports than ever before, where other counties are possibly losing more. And our club structures is a huge part of that, a calendar laid out in January and stuck to, and high quality games guaranteed.

I haven't changed my mind, Dublin have 3 massive organic things in their favour - population, culture/tradition and club scene. Those 3 will always ensure Dublin being competitive on their own. However leaving aside the grants, Dublin's ability to attract sponsors ensures that their teams are the best prepared in the country. I have proposed and still propose that spending be capped and any overspend his hit with a wealth tax.


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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1686 on: June 17, 2019, 10:13:05 AM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/
mainstream reporting of teh monies coming into Dublin isdefinitely going to start putting pressure on Central Council to realise that the dublin monopoly on funding is killing football.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1687 on: June 17, 2019, 10:55:58 AM »

I haven't changed my mind, Dublin have 3 massive organic things in their favour - population, culture/tradition and club scene. Those 3 will always ensure Dublin being competitive on their own. However leaving aside the grants, Dublin's ability to attract sponsors ensures that their teams are the best prepared in the country. I have proposed and still propose that spending be capped and any overspend his hit with a wealth tax.

Agreed.
In an ideal world the only difference on spend on intercounty teams would be dependant on how long the team remained in the championship. I think it would need GAA to take over the running of all marketing, sponsorship, donations, overseas trips, etc. and to review (or control) all spend on panels in each county. A big ask, but definitely doable with the right people.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1688 on: June 17, 2019, 02:26:40 PM »
Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

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« Reply #1689 on: June 17, 2019, 02:36:32 PM »
Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

Sure there is nothing to defend.

As highlighted above, The one i would like to see in caps on expenditure of inter county teams or all teams recieve the same allocated amount from Croke Park per month, year, competition etc.



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« Reply #1690 on: June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM »
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

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« Reply #1691 on: June 17, 2019, 10:38:04 PM »
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

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« Reply #1692 on: June 17, 2019, 11:05:14 PM »
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

Not him. He robbed all my material though and is making a living off it.

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« Reply #1693 on: June 19, 2019, 11:29:33 PM »
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

Not him. He robbed all my material though and is making a living off it.

What about "Dont Matter " contribution?? ;) ;)

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1694 on: June 19, 2019, 11:34:31 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/
mainstream reporting of teh monies coming into Dublin isdefinitely going to start putting pressure on Central Council to realise that the dublin monopoly on funding is killing football.
The rich get richer and we are all the poorer for it. The Gaa should have a socialistic societal outlook but instead is dominated by capitalism