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« Reply #1575 on: February 20, 2019, 05:21:34 PM »
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

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« Reply #1576 on: February 20, 2019, 05:27:02 PM »
Again, you’re just not listening because you’ve no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It’s moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He’s an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We’d no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We’d no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O’Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin’s biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I’ve said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we’ve no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we’re going to miss Clucko when he’s gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.

We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

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« Reply #1577 on: February 20, 2019, 05:31:40 PM »
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.

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« Reply #1578 on: February 20, 2019, 05:35:59 PM »
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin. 

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« Reply #1579 on: February 20, 2019, 05:39:49 PM »
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
No they didn't. Funding into Dublin is a fraction of what the Dubs raise. If you refuse to grasp this...

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« Reply #1580 on: February 20, 2019, 05:41:05 PM »
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin.

Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers...

You do not operate outside this system

This is special needs stuff

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« Reply #1581 on: February 20, 2019, 05:49:45 PM »
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
No they didn't. Funding into Dublin is a fraction of what the Dubs raise. If you refuse to grasp this...

What are you on about? Do you know about the Irish sports council funding? Do you know about how much Dublin have received since 2005? 

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« Reply #1582 on: February 20, 2019, 05:52:45 PM »
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin.

Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers...

You do not operate outside this system

This is special needs stuff

 ;D Look up the population of Antrim and Cork. Now look up how much more Dublin get compared to them. It really is special needs stuff!

Everyone else does operate outside the system built for Dublin. You have no clue what you're talking about.
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1583 on: February 20, 2019, 06:08:26 PM »
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
No they didn't. Funding into Dublin is a fraction of what the Dubs raise. If you refuse to grasp this...

What are you on about? Do you know about the Irish sports council funding? Do you know about how much Dublin have received since 2005?

Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?

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« Reply #1584 on: February 20, 2019, 06:10:25 PM »
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin.

Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers...

You do not operate outside this system

This is special needs stuff

 ;D Look up the population of Antrim and Cork. Now look up how much more Dublin get compared to them. It really is special needs stuff!

Everyone else does operate outside the system built for Dublin. You have no clue what you're talking about.

You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.

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« Reply #1585 on: February 20, 2019, 06:18:21 PM »
Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?

The one million a year sports council grant? The multi million euros bonanza given to Dublin? You don't even know the basics!!
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« Reply #1586 on: February 20, 2019, 06:21:12 PM »
You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.

 ;D I chose those 2 because of their population. It busted your claim that "Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers..."

And then some deflection. The weakest defence in history.  :P

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« Reply #1587 on: February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM »
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

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« Reply #1588 on: February 20, 2019, 06:42:56 PM »
You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.

 ;D I chose those 2 because of their population. It busted your claim that "Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers..."

And then some deflection. The weakest defence in history.  :P
You chose those counties. Both have presided over omnishambles recently, and you think they should get more money to fix them being shyte?

Will you gerrup the yard

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« Reply #1589 on: February 20, 2019, 06:44:16 PM »
Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?

The one million a year sports council grant? The multi million euros bonanza given to Dublin? You don't even know the basics!!

Again, what counties were denied 80c per head by the sports council?