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smelmoth

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1020 on: July 05, 2018, 03:56:46 PM »
We need to think outside the box here.
 
Dublin have an inherent advantage here in that they have more players and punters than anybody else. This needs to be neutralised. They way to do this (it came to me in a dream behind the off-licence over lunchtime) is to allocate every child in the 32 counties a county at birth. This will act like the US draft system with counties allocated on rotation i.e only every 32nd child will be a jackeen. No allowance will be made for where the child is born, lives, where the parents (if known) are from or indeed the child’s own wishes or the location of their club. Its tough but it has to be done. Tony Scullion will do a video presentation for slow learners.
 
I already know how brilliant an idea this is. Its actually quite emotional typing it.
 
An equal spread of the talent. An equal spread of fans (although most will still live in Dublin and I accept it is an awful trek from Skibbereen to Abhainn Beag for one son, especially when the second son wants to go to Drogheda for the big Louth v Clare Derby). Fill up the tank in Louth is the answer to that problem. You have to go there to see how cheap it actually is.  I bought a second car with the money I’ve saved. Comes in handy as well as the first car is giving wild engine trouble.
 
Further brilliance arrives in the form of the northern protestant population being equally divided amongst the 32 counties. No opt out of the allocation is allowed although they are allowed to individually opt out of playing the sport (I’m not arguing for fascism here). Kilkenny will probably be allocated a load of northern prods and still not be able to field. My own county, Armagh will benefit hugely from this.
 
Yet more brilliance arrives in the form of the nippy, skillfull inside forwards produced by the Kerry school system would also be equally divided amongst the 32 counties. These guys will be lauded as gods In the glens of Antrim or swamps of Leitrim. Some form of translation service may be required for local media. My own county, Armagh will benefit hugely from this if we can keep these Kerry born gods away from the lure of coffee or local soccer.
 
There is a brief window of every child born in Dublin. It comes after they learn to speak but before they sound Bernard Dunne or Dustin the Turkey with every sentence starting with the word “look”. During this window of intelligible speech the child could take a verbal oath of allegiance to their allocated county.
 
This might sound extreme but it’s a better option than any option that does not directly address the fact that Dublin have more players and paying punters than any other county. #splitdublinin32
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1021 on: July 05, 2018, 03:58:43 PM »
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Yep, fair enough, that's an absolutely valid opinion.

It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!

No problem changing the rule next year if people agree the loss of revenues is outweighed by the "added fairness". Although I doubt Clones would have been used this year if the rule had been in place, if the GAA thought they'd get more people to Limerick or Thurles. It would not be like the GAA to turn down an extra 13,000 people paying €25 a head to move it to Munster. (Although I know there's one Mayo man who thinks all that extra money goes to either the Croke Park fat cats or the Dubs!)

Its been there for 100 years, but the game has changed immeasurably in the 17 since the back door came in. Firstly, many more counties got the chance to play in Croke Park (so the novelty wore off), and secondly, it has become ever more professional in every aspect, so advantages are sought everywhere. With the timing such that there haven't been that many occasions to really scrutinise it (Dublin straight into quarters most years as you say, which are usually [always?] dbl headers in croker), the Super 8's was always going to be the opportunity to challenge it.

Re the revenue - you can't put revenue above the competition itself. Theres also I would think an argument that putting games in grounds which will fill out makes them much better occasions, and making tickets harder to get increases season ticket buying and the like, but principally you have to run your competition on a fair basis, not to make as much as you can.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1022 on: July 05, 2018, 07:14:39 PM »
Not that it's too late, but what's changed, apart from Dublin becoming good?

What has changed is obviously the format of the championship, which surely hasn't passed you by. This change in format sees every team playing one game at home, one game away and one game at a neutral venue, besides Dublin who play two at home and one away, and whatever team are unlucky enough to win their provincial championship and end up in Dublin's group who play two away and one at home.

I don't think it's unreasonable to attempt to bake a basic element of fairness in to a new format that is being trialled?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1023 on: July 07, 2018, 11:04:04 AM »
Will the persecuted  McKenna followers accept a lot more money has to be put into Dublin coaching with only a minor hurling and senior football  won in leinster 2018 in what is allegedly an era of total domination.

Highlights of Leinster 2018 are last night's fantastic Kildare display  and Wicklow minors... I haven't seen Wicklow but there were some fantastic footballers on the u20 side last night and played a good hard brand of football.....

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1024 on: July 07, 2018, 11:14:08 AM »
Underage results flies in the face of the constant crying about Dublin's population and financial advantage. Young players showing the way - just go out and beat them.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1025 on: July 07, 2018, 11:43:36 AM »
One swallow doesn't make a Summer.
Dublin won 4 in a row u21s in Leinster and 2 of the last 4 U21 All Irelands.
Not exactly down and out.

2018- 2 Cupeens won, 2 to go.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1026 on: July 07, 2018, 11:51:23 AM »
One swallow doesn't make a Summer.
Dublin won 4 in a row u21s in Leinster and 2 of the last 4 U21 All Irelands.
Not exactly down and out.

Kerry won the last 4 All Ireland minor titles... in Croke Park!

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1027 on: July 17, 2018, 09:14:35 AM »
A recently-compiled statistic revealed that since 2011 and the evolution of the spring series that saw Dublin move their home league matches to Croke Park, they had played 74pc of all their league and championship games there, 83 out of 112


What other county gets such an advantage?

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1028 on: August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM »
#newbridgeornowhere

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1029 on: August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM »
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html     

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don’t think so.

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1030 on: August 04, 2018, 01:23:27 PM »
Surely better than long putting itbintonrugby, golf, cricket or hockey

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1031 on: August 04, 2018, 02:33:46 PM »

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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1032 on: August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM »
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html     

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don’t think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already
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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1033 on: August 04, 2018, 03:44:53 PM »
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html     

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don’t think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o



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Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« Reply #1034 on: August 04, 2018, 03:46:21 PM »
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html     

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don’t think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o





Very few. >90% to Dublin id imagine
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