Ulster Club SFC 2016

[brokencrossbar1]

Load of balls about Tyrone club football. We self destructed against Omagh and should never have lost. Apart from 1 exceptional EC team with the Canavan's etc no Tyrone club has made an impact at all in Ulster for the whole history of the competition. They're just not good enough at club senior, end of story.

[LeoMc]

Myth. Tyrone football at senior level is overrated.

Depends what you mean by overrated. It is one if the most competitive championships but the top clubs are not at the same level as some of the bigger Derry clubs. 

A measure of the respective strength of the clubs within the 9 counties would be the number of different Provincial winners. That however is not a measure of the competitiveness of the respective championships.

[Walter Cronc]

Load of balls about Tyrone club football. We self destructed against Omagh and should never have lost. Apart from 1 exceptional EC team with the Canavan's etc no Tyrone club has made an impact at all in Ulster for the whole history of the competition. They're just not good enough at club senior, end of story.

Amen BCB. Competitiveness does not mean quality! In Derry we'd consider the standard of our SFC quite poor overall. The exception being Slaughtneil.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Load of balls about Tyrone club football. We self destructed against Omagh and should never have lost. Apart from 1 exceptional EC team with the Canavan's etc no Tyrone club has made an impact at all in Ulster for the whole history of the competition. They're just not good enough at club senior, end of story.

Omagh beat Cross, end of story. Many games in the past Cross have been outplayed but have came up with the good so it's a great contradiction to be cribbing about implosions.

Crossmaglen have only been beaten 4 times in Ulster over the past 15 seasons and guess which county was responsible 3 of those defeats?

You guessed it, Tyrone. Errigal  and Omagh.

Only 6 clubs (from three counties) have won Ulster in the past 15 seasons.

Crossmaglen (
Galls (2)
Slaughtneil, Errigal, Ballinderry and Loup (1 apiece)

Tyrone clubs have been a bit short of what is needed to win but the point remains they have been very competitive at Ulster level and are well able to compete with the best. I don't think you would find another county championship in the country that can say it has returned 7 different winners in the past 7 years and I think the fact they always go in to Ulster and put it up sides like Cross, Ballindery, Galls etc who are some of the best clubs in the country says a lot about the quality there.

I would rather than a competitive Championship with plenty of sides capable of winning it and going and giving a decent account of themselves in Ulster rather than a super club who will cruise to their county title every year and expect to be winning the bigger honours.

[brokencrossbar1]

Not cribbing, just stating fact. I've acknowledged EC as being a great team and were the one team we couldn't beat at the time. We beat them subsequently though. The simple fact is that take them out and no other club in Tyrone has won it. There have been 50 odd championships and Tyrone teams have only reached the final 7 times. That's not competitive no matter how competitive the county championship is. Out of the 9 counties only Fermanagh Cavan and Donegal are below Tyrone. That's not competitive. A so-called weaker football county like Antrim has produced 2 different clubs as winners, 4 titles and 1 AI. That's competitive. EC were the exception rather than the rule. Even take us out of the equation and Armagh clubs have a better record than Tyrone clubs. Just not good enough full stop.

[general_lee]

The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it

[Il Bomber Destro]

The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it

Absolute tosh.

Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.

The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.

There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.

[brokencrossbar1]

The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it

Absolute tosh.

Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.

The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.

There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.

Competitive against each other, yes. Competitive against the rest of Ulster, clearly not.

[delgany]

The involvement of tyrone senior team in later stages of all ireland series has impacted on tyrone clubs. SFC IS COMPRESSED into a 5 - 6 week tournament. These are highly competitive  hence no tyrone club dominates at SFC and are unable to sustain that at provincial level in a series of years.

This IS IN SHARP CONTRAST  to IFC  And JFC  where tyrone clubs have won ulster and all ireland . These clubs like Cookstown and Rock have fewer  county  players. But they have enough quality to impact at provincial level .

[Il Bomber Destro]

The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it

Absolute tosh.

Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.

The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.

There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.

Competitive against each other, yes. Competitive against the rest of Ulster, clearly not.

Clearly they are competitive against the rest of Ulster sides, are you saying clubs like Kilcoo and Scotstown are not competitive at Ulster level?

[brokencrossbar1]

The involvement of tyrone senior team in later stages of all ireland series has impacted on tyrone clubs. SFC IS COMPRESSED into a 5 - 6 week tournament. These are highly competitive  hence no tyrone club dominates at SFC and are unable to sustain that at provincial level in a series of years.

This IS IN SHARP CONTRAST  to IFC  And JFC  where tyrone clubs have won ulster and all ireland . These clubs like Cookstown and Rock have fewer  county  players. But they have enough quality to impact at provincial level .

What happened in the 30 odd years prior to 2003 when Tyrone teams made limited impact?

[brokencrossbar1]

The Armagh jfc is very competitive but that means nothing when the county representatives go out and get duffed in Ulster every year, winning the odd game here or there, much like Tyrone's representatives do in the senior competition. Of course the difference is Armagh actually produced a winner in the Ulster Junior competition whereas Tyrone clubs at senior level are lacking what is needed to get across the line. Having 7 different winners in 7 years, including a team just out of intermediate, is as much down to having a straight knockout championship as it is some perceived sense of competitiveness. Did Kc not hammer the island in the replay? If that was Armagh we'd be hearing how shite our football is (which generally it is) and how easy Cross get it

Absolute tosh.

Having 7 different winners in 7 different years is down to the fact that there is very little between the 8 or 9 top sides in the Championship and on a given day anyone can beat anyone.

The Dublin Championship would be as competitive as it gets but it hasn't stopped Vincents winning 3 of the past 4 and reaching the finals on all ocassions in that period.

There are no super clubs in Tyrone but there are 8 or 9 who can certainly hold their own against the best clubs in the province and are all capable of winning a county title every season. Give me that over the procession of superclubs to a county title every year.

Competitive against each other, yes. Competitive against the rest of Ulster, clearly not.

Clearly they are competitive against the rest of Ulster sides, are you saying clubs like Kilcoo and Scotstown are not competitive at Ulster level?

Kilcoo yes as they have consistently been there. The current  Scotstown team have underachieved at Ulster for the talent they have. It's all about the cup or consistency in the competition. A party from the EC team I played against, we never feared a Tyrone team. The funny thing is Carrickmore should have been the team that pushed on but just didn't have something. The reality is that ourselves, Derrybteams and St Galls have dominated the competition for the last 20 years. You could actually saw that there are 6 counties that are not competitive at provincial level.

[longballin]

Bit like Ulster county football is such a effort to get  out of Tyrone whereas other counties no competition...

We talking club or county on this thread?

Have youse a county team?

[Smurfy123]

Maybe the reason Crossmaglen dominated was because Armagh football is so poor
They would not get 20 titles in 22 years in Tyrone Derry or Down
Great players in that Crossmaglen era but must say a lot of players living of that

[brokencrossbar1]

Maybe the reason Crossmaglen dominated was because Armagh football is so poor
They would not get 20 titles in 22 years in Tyrone Derry or Down
Great players in that Crossmaglen era but must say a lot of players living of that

Who?