Ulster Club SFC 2016

[Milltown Row2]

Yes, it's embarrassing that you still think it's strong championship with only 2 winners from same club 

Losing to the eventual provincial champions by a narrow margin is embarrassing?

What's embarrassing is since 1968 Tyrone have won it twice... what's the excuse?

you seem obsessed with Tyrone club football... we get the idea St Galls have won it... not all with local players but won it fair play.

I'm not

[OgraAnDun]

The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.

[Il Bomber Destro]

The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.

Tyrone clubs are competitive in Ulster, it's not as if they turning up and getting hammered in every game they play at that level.

[OgraAnDun]

The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.

Tyrone clubs are competitive in Ulster, it's not as if they turning up and getting hammered in every game they play at that level.

Tyrone clubs have been in 3 finals since 2000 and only one since EC last won it in 2002 so they're not that competitive actually.

[Il Bomber Destro]

The Tyrone SFC is a competitive competition while Tyrone club sides are not that competitive in Ulster. You've been arguing for the last two or three pages over something which can be summed up in one sentence.

Tyrone clubs are competitive in Ulster, it's not as if they turning up and getting hammered in every game they play at that level.

Tyrone clubs have been in 3 finals since 2000 and only one since EC last won it in 2002 so they're not that competitive actually.

Are Kilcoo competitive in Ulster?

Are Scotstown competitive in Ulster?

[brokencrossbar1]

Tyrone club championship is competitive. Tyrone senior clubs are as competitive as Donegal, Fermanagh, Cavan clubs at senior level in that they generally compete but rarely if ever win or get to finals.  Ok?

[Estimator]

This experience thing is an bullshit argument that Tyrone clubs cannot hide behind. Just because they've had a few different winners in the last few years, should not impact upon the chance of winning Ulster.

With one notable exception, no club can guarantee winning the following years county championship, in order to gain the this all important Ulster experience that Tyrone clubs require. So you make the most of the opportunity that comes your way.

A few examples:

1. Slaughtneil (2014) had not won a county title in 10years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
2. Crossmaglen had never won an Ulster title before 1996 and had no county title in a few years and went on to win it.
3. An Lub hadn't won a county title in 70 years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
4. Ballerin (1976) hadn't won a county title in 20years and won Ulster and appeared in the AI final.
5. Between 1997 - 2003 (7years) 4 different clubs won the Derry Championship and then went on to win Ulster.
6. Mullabawn (1995) came through the Armagh C'ship before the start of the Cross dominance and won Ulster.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Il Bomber, id hardly noticed ye on this thing before - I tell ye what, ive noticed ye this past fuckin week that's for sure

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone club championship is competitive. Tyrone senior clubs are as competitive as Donegal, Fermanagh, Cavan clubs at senior level in that they generally compete but rarely if ever win or get to finals.  Ok?

Cavan and Fermanagh sides rarely win games in Ulster and regularly get double digit hammerings. Tyrone and Donegal clubs are competitive in Ulster, Cavan and Fermanagh clubs are not.

Derry is the only club championship which has churned out more than one side who has been successful in Ulster in the past 15 years.

[Orior]

If slaughtniel win the final then only 4 teams have won the last 10, with us having won 6. What does that say about how competitive Ulster is in general never mind Tyrone?

If Kilcoo win the final that would be 4 different winners in the last 4 years

He shoots he scores! Well done, lol

[Il Bomber Destro]

This experience thing is an bullshit argument that Tyrone clubs cannot hide behind. Just because they've had a few different winners in the last few years, should not impact upon the chance of winning Ulster.

With one notable exception, no club can guarantee winning the following years county championship, in order to gain the this all important Ulster experience that Tyrone clubs require. So you make the most of the opportunity that comes your way.

A few examples:

1. Slaughtneil (2014) had not won a county title in 10years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
2. Crossmaglen had never won an Ulster title before 1996 and had no county title in a few years and went on to win it.
3. An Lub hadn't won a county title in 70 years and came out of Derry and won Ulster.
4. Ballerin (1976) hadn't won a county title in 20years and won Ulster and appeared in the AI final.
5. Between 1997 - 2003 (7years) 4 different clubs won the Derry Championship and then went on to win Ulster.
6. Mullabawn (1995) came through the Armagh C'ship before the start of the Cross dominance and won Ulster.

It's not a catch all argument, it's not the reason why Tyrone clubs haven't won Ulster but clubs who have experience at Ulster level, who have been there and done it, do hold an advantage over a side who are pretty raw and inexperienced at that level.

[lenny]

Generally, clubs who dominate their county championships do best in Ulster. Clubs like Crossmaglen & St Galls who walked their respective county championships for years were able to focus their training plan on the Ulster campaign. I've often heard St Galls people claim that they didn't start training until Ulster (probably slightly untrue). Clubs who aren't 99% sure that they'll be in Ulster cannot prepare the same way. Also, winter football is a different game, war if attrition stuff. I think it often requires teams to gain experience of this before they can make inroads at this level. With Tyrone having a different winner every year, that can be difficult.

Slaughtneil won only their 2nd ever derry championship 2 years ago and went on to win ulster. Loup alao won ulster after not playing in the ulster club before. There are 4 or 5 derry  clubs who are capable of having a very good run in ulster.

[thewobbler]

What an odd tangent this thread has taken.

The Tyrone "conundrum" isn't difficult to analyse.

At the start of every year each club will set its goals for the season. If a club hasn't won their county championship in quite a few years, its becomes the be all and end all of their season. Whereas if a club has won a couple of County titles recently, their pre season chat will talk about provincial titles.

I know some of our more ideological sorts (most likely those who haven't played in many years) will argue otherwise, but the truth is that it's nigh on impossible to upwardly adjust those goals after a first championship (or first one in years). Even leaving aside the belly full of drink, most humans just don't have the mental flexibility to accept that everything they worked for all season is actually a booby prize.

So when you happen to play in a hugely competitive county championship, it's a disadvantage to you... until you begin to dominate it.

[BennyHarp]

Whatever about Tyrone club football. Maghery  and Cargin both proved this year that if the big guns don't win it then there's not much happening in the rest of Armagh and Antrim.

[Milltown Row2]

Generally, clubs who dominate their county championships do best in Ulster. Clubs like Crossmaglen & St Galls who walked their respective county championships for years were able to focus their training plan on the Ulster campaign. I've often heard St Galls people claim that they didn't start training until Ulster (probably slightly untrue). Clubs who aren't 99% sure that they'll be in Ulster cannot prepare the same way. Also, winter football is a different game, war if attrition stuff. I think it often requires teams to gain experience of this before they can make inroads at this level. With Tyrone having a different winner every year, that can be difficult.

What about Ballerin? As you said