All Ireland Final Replay 1st October 2016 Dublin vs Mayo

[bannside]

Think Bendix washing machines....that's where the commercialisation started...right through to Dick O Sullivans Kerry Foods....although it was inevitable I suppose.

Whilst I was at the final and with practically every other neutral I was hoping to see Mayo make the breakthrough, I do admit to thinking the Dubs are great for the game. Yes they have increased the stakes and opened up a huge gap between themselves and the middle tier counties but hey its raised the bar further and it's up to other counties to find 20 Grade a players at the one time who could compete at this level. Not easy but not impossible. Kerry for one will always be back and Tyrone structures are excellent too, and won't ever be that far away either.

You've got to embrace the challenge....its not going to go away! And besides, there's no atmosphere to match the Dubs in full voice.

[ashman]

Enjoyed the Mayo/Dublin saga the last couple of weeks! Dublin's dominance continues. They will not be touched in Leinster for a long time. The League is just a hobby and the AI's a just rolling in. Mayo and my own Kerry are in decline. Kerry are nearly dead and Mayo are just dyeing slowly and for their fans it will be a slow agonising death. Croke Park is Dublins fortress now! The practice games in Croker during the league bring them on leaps and bounds come the Summer. They have really got their act together at every level. They even have a strong media presence and the campaign on Keegan was well planned and orchestrated. It worked a treat. Mayo had little or no media presence to counter act it. Deegan fell for it hook line and sinker.  Brolly stung Mayo in the lead up to 2012 (with cynical) and our Mafia got into place in 2014 (with Streetwise). (So Called) Good/Great teams get leeway compared to their opponents. Media controls everything now, Venues, Player profiles and even the rules of the game. The Referee and linemen pulled out of big decisions on Saturday evening. There was a few token calls, but that is all they were. They feared making the real big decisions as they might end up scrutinised by a righteous media.

I'd find the Mayo losing another AI stuff hilarious except they are the closest at present to this GAA Headquarters created team. And when you have Mayo as the main threat to dominance, you are in trouble.

In conclusion, we have a well organised Dublin team with loads of money, set up with jobs, playing all their important games at home, with huge investment in their structures and no end to it all.

Then again there are the Kerry Minors of the last 3 years!

That's definitely one of the biggest piles of bollocks I've read in a while.

It is cynical , waspish , bitter , acerbic but it is hard to dispute what s/he said. 

[moysider]

I said above I wouldn't have changed Clarke, and I gave the reasons for that, but it was a close call.

Sorry Muppet, it was never a close call, no matter how you try to spin it.

Too big risk. Hennelly's kick-out not a big enough gain. In fact under pressure his kick-outs are worse. Gloves a few years ago and Galway goal this year. Clarke had a meltdown in drawn game but at least they kick were out the wing. Hennelly put Keegan in trouble in front of the posts and gave Dublin their second best chance of a goal and presented them with their goal.

He was a bag of nails from the start but management should have known better. I d give them slack if they were replacing Clarke with a cool steady keeper but Hennelly has never been that.

[muppet]

I said above I wouldn't have changed Clarke, and I gave the reasons for that, but it was a close call.

Sorry Muppet, it was never a close call, no matter how you try to spin it.

Too big risk. Hennelly's kick-out not a big enough gain. In fact under pressure his kick-outs are worse. Gloves a few years ago and Galway goal this year. Clarke had a meltdown in drawn game but at least they kick were out the wing. Hennelly put Keegan in trouble in front of the posts and gave Dublin their second best chance of a goal and presented them with their goal.

He was a bag of nails from the start but management should have known better. I d give them slack if they were replacing Clarke with a cool steady keeper but Hennelly has never been that.

I am not trying to spin anything.

Hennelly has been a top keeper no matter what you say. James Horan thought so, Holmes and Connelly thought so and Rochford thought so.

[moysider]

I said above I wouldn't have changed Clarke, and I gave the reasons for that, but it was a close call.

Sorry Muppet, it was never a close call, no matter how you try to spin it.

Too big risk. Hennelly's kick-out not a big enough gain. In fact under pressure his kick-outs are worse. Gloves a few years ago and Galway goal this year. Clarke had a meltdown in drawn game but at least they kick were out the wing. Hennelly put Keegan in trouble in front of the posts and gave Dublin their second best chance of a goal and presented them with their goal.

He was a bag of nails from the start but management should have known better. I d give them slack if they were replacing Clarke with a cool steady keeper but Hennelly has never been that.

I am not trying to spin anything.

Hennelly has been a top keeper no matter what you say. James Horan thought so, Holmes and Connelly thought so and Rochford thought so.

Don't want to get into a row with you Muppet but the reality is that Clarke would have been always goalie apart from a number of injuries that kept him out for a long time and nearly finished him entirely. True he attacked a few balls in drawn game and over extended himself but you can see what he was about because we have no size in our full back line. Clarke has been commanding his space for 15 years now. Hennelly never has and the penalty the last day was a simple housekeeping ball that he spilled. I'm pretty sure most Mayo fans were not surprised by that calamity if they have been clued in over the years.

[seafoid]

At the start of the season the management would have picked their number 1 keeper. There is very little between them as shot stoppers, Clarke is probably better coming off his line, but Hennelly is a lot better with his kicks.

Hennelly was then dropped for a couple of bad kickout towards the end of the Galway game, one crucial kick led to the goal. I always felt this was very harsh and would undermine Hennelly's confidence.

Clarke was then put in. Clarke had some very good big moments in games, but made errors that he wasn't making in years past. In the drawn game he made some daft decisions and was very lucky to get away with them. He also kicked poorly.

Many of us were debating the keeper switch in the days between the two matches. Personally I felt that the switch was to late in the season, as it would be hard to know where Hennelly's form was after Beijing dropped and not having played, and that by undermining Clarke at this late stage of the season, we could go from to great keepers to two keepers badly out of form.

However, Rochford and the management had the benefit of seeing both players in training and were in a far better position to assess confidence, form, kickouts etc, than bullshit artists like Joe Brolly. 

It coulldn't have been anticipated that Hennelly would have his worst performance from the tee and generally, in his entire Mayo career.

So in my opinion the switch was no big surprise after Clarke's performance in the drawn game, but with hindsight we all know better now.

I'm not going to list Hennellys mistakes during big games down through the years but I'm sure Mayo lads can easily think of the majority of them. It's quite a long list for lads who don't know BTW.
This history combined without having kicked a ball since May makes the decision a kamikaze one.
He could have been flawless in training but repeated mistakes in big games shouldn't have been overlooked.

Sticking the knife into Hennelly, while not mentioning anything about why he was even considered for the reply, isn't very balanced, is it?

We somehow went from a situation where we had two top goalkeepers, to one where arguably errors from each of them stopped us from winning an All-Ireland.

All Irelands are decided by forwards on both sides either scoring or missing. Goalies will always make certain calls but if the forwards don't score that is where Aughrim happens. IMO.

[muppet]

I said above I wouldn't have changed Clarke, and I gave the reasons for that, but it was a close call.

Sorry Muppet, it was never a close call, no matter how you try to spin it.

Too big risk. Hennelly's kick-out not a big enough gain. In fact under pressure his kick-outs are worse. Gloves a few years ago and Galway goal this year. Clarke had a meltdown in drawn game but at least they kick were out the wing. Hennelly put Keegan in trouble in front of the posts and gave Dublin their second best chance of a goal and presented them with their goal.

He was a bag of nails from the start but management should have known better. I d give them slack if they were replacing Clarke with a cool steady keeper but Hennelly has never been that.

I am not trying to spin anything.

Hennelly has been a top keeper no matter what you say. James Horan thought so, Holmes and Connelly thought so and Rochford thought so.

Don't want to get into a row with you Muppet but the reality is that Clarke would have been always goalie apart from a number of injuries that kept him out for a long time and nearly finished him entirely. True he attacked a few balls in drawn game and over extended himself but you can see what he was about because we have no size in our full back line. Clarke has been commanding his space for 15 years now. Hennelly never has and the penalty the last day was a simple housekeeping ball that he spilled. I'm pretty sure most Mayo fans were not surprised by that calamity if they have been clued in over the years.

This is opinion presented as fact. You might be right, but the various managers picked Hennelly and left Clarke on the bench.

Your highlighting of Hennelly handling error, while ignoring Clrake's brain-farts that got him dropped, isn't exectly balanced. Also your defence of Clarke's screw-ups, due to attacking the ball because there was no fullback, could easily apply to Hennelly's screw-up, if one was balanced that is.

[heffo]

How long is it customary to bitch and moan post-AI about the ref and accuse the opposition of all the things your own team is equally guilty of?

[Farrandeelin]

I said above I wouldn't have changed Clarke, and I gave the reasons for that, but it was a close call.

Sorry Muppet, it was never a close call, no matter how you try to spin it.

Too big risk. Hennelly's kick-out not a big enough gain. In fact under pressure his kick-outs are worse. Gloves a few years ago and Galway goal this year. Clarke had a meltdown in drawn game but at least they kick were out the wing. Hennelly put Keegan in trouble in front of the posts and gave Dublin their second best chance of a goal and presented them with their goal.

He was a bag of nails from the start but management should have known better. I d give them slack if they were replacing Clarke with a cool steady keeper but Hennelly has never been that.

I am not trying to spin anything.

Hennelly has been a top keeper no matter what you say. James Horan thought so, Holmes and Connelly thought so and Rochford thought so.

Don't want to get into a row with you Muppet but the reality is that Clarke would have been always goalie apart from a number of injuries that kept him out for a long time and nearly finished him entirely. True he attacked a few balls in drawn game and over extended himself but you can see what he was about because we have no size in our full back line. Clarke has been commanding his space for 15 years now. Hennelly never has and the penalty the last day was a simple housekeeping ball that he spilled. I'm pretty sure most Mayo fans were not surprised by that calamity if they have been clued in over the years.

This is opinion presented as fact. You might be right, but the various managers picked Hennelly and left Clarke on the bench.

Your highlighting of Hennelly handling error, while ignoring Clrake's brain-farts that got him dropped, isn't exectly balanced. Also your defence of Clarke's screw-ups, due to attacking the ball because there was no fullback, could easily apply to Hennelly's screw-up, if one was balanced that is.

I wonder will this effect in Hennelly's future county career? I don't know him, but I would imagine that those errors might finish him at the top level.

[Tubberman]

How long is it customary to bitch and moan post-AI about the ref and accuse the opposition of all the things your own team is equally guilty of?

Do you really think there's been much bitching and moaning from Mayo!? I think the Dubs seem surpisingly grumpy seeing as ye won the f**king thing.

[seafoid]

I have the feeling this is a different kind of defeat. It could have gone either way. The Dubs are not better than Mayo  . It wasn't a capitulation. It was attrition as someone else said. On another day Mayo would have won. They will win Sam with this group. And it will be a great day.

[The Aristocrat]

Ah lads be nice, its over now, time to for the important stuff to start now, club football.

I will say this though, Id say they are absolutely sickened down in Kerry, sick to the teeth. Its great.

If Mayo can match the exact same intensity as the their last two games they will be there again next year in the final.

[heffo]

The Dubs are not better than Mayo 

Given that Mayo have had 10/11 chances to beat Dublin under Gavin and haven't succeeded, that's a beauty.

[ashman]

Ah lads be nice, its over now, time to for the important stuff to start now, club football.

I will say this though, Id say they are absolutely sickened down in Kerry, sick to the teeth. Its great.

If Mayo can match the exact same intensity as the metric their last two games they will be there again next year in the final.

Jesus will you grow up.  Gloating over winning a competition in which every dice is loaded in your favour . 

[The Aristocrat]

Ah lads be nice, its over now, time to for the important stuff to start now, club football.

I will say this though, Id say they are absolutely sickened down in Kerry, sick to the teeth. Its great.

If Mayo can match the exact same intensity as the metric their last two games they will be there again next year in the final.

Jesus will you grow up.  Gloating over winning a competition in which every dice is loaded in your favour .

Only gloating over Kerry, not anyone else. I really feel for Mayo, really do.

That's your opinion, you wont change mine.