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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 04:25:17 PM »
First step in moving away from County to Regional teams?

5 Super clubs east Leinster
2 Regional teams Ulster
2 Regionsl teams Munster
1 Connaght

Hmmmmmmm.
North Dublin, South Dublin, North Leinster, East Leinster, South Leinster, West Munster, East Munster, Connacht, East Ulster, West Ulster.
Wont happen but would make for more even playing field compared to units of 30,000 trying to compete with 1.4m.
Also get a greater high standard of football.
Sooner or later, this present lopsided system will have to change- it’s no longer fit for purpose. (Was it ever?)
According to Wikipedia;
“The population of the Dublin City, suburbs (Dublin City, Fingal, South Dublin & Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown) and Outer Greater Dublin (Meath, Kildare and Wicklow) as of Census 2016 was 1,904,806 persons.[2] This equates to 40.03% of Ireland's population. Estimates published by the Central Statistics Office suggest that the population will reach 2.1 million by 2021, and 2.4 million by 2026.”
Pumping extra resources into this region  and leaving the rest of us to suck the hind tit is all very well but it’s a short-sighted move.any counties outside the Pale are finding it hard enough to keep going  without any additional  problems not of their making.
Dublin’s neighbours are running into problems of a different sort and it’s not going to be easy finding a way around them.
I’m talking about the dormitory towns on Dublin’s periphery, the likes of Ashbourne, Navan, Celbridge etc. The rapid increase in population here is made up mainly of Dubs moving out but continuing to commute to Dublin. They play little or no part in local activities and still support the Dublin team. Feral adolescents with more time and money than sense are more interested in fighting than in football and the rows are mainly along county allegiance lines.
Dunno what will be done but things can’t go on as they are.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2016, 08:17:26 AM »
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.


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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2016, 01:19:39 PM »
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.
No son, they don't but sponsors do take not of the potential market and that's why Dublin will always find it easier to attract sponsors than, say, Mayo or Donegal and money comes in handy when you are preparing a team.
You've a better chance of finding top class players among a population of 1,904,806 than if you only had 130,425, which is the number in Mayo and that almost one tenth of Dublin's one.
Besides Dublin doesn't have the cost or the hassle associated with having to get players tp travel long distances to and from work/college either.
You may have only three divisions but you have 60 plus GDAs to ensure that those who get to senior club level are the pick of the crop and have been developed up through the ranks since juveniles.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2016, 01:38:59 PM »
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

Puerile comment. Not everyone plays in any county.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2016, 02:37:09 PM »
Looking ahead what percentage of the 1,9m are males aged 0-17?
Bet it's twice the percentage of Roscommon's 65,000.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2016, 02:50:29 PM »
Gents gents gents, Divisions 1-3 maybe one or two from 4 and 5 Senior football leagues is Dublin Senior football team playing population.

Dublin have always had the population, why is it upsetting you all now?  We know why because they got their house in order and are winning all Irelands!




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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM »
As I pointed out here before,  when the GAA  was founded Dublin's population was only twice that of Mayo,  and a lot of those were in British army barracks etc.

So saying things like Dublin always had the population is also misleading.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2016, 04:02:54 PM »
As I pointed out here before,  when the GAA  was founded Dublin's population was only twice that of Mayo,  and a lot of those were in British army barracks etc.

So saying things like Dublin always had the population is also misleading.

Understood but you know what I mean, last 50 years or so.

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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2016, 04:40:40 PM »
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

You've a better chance of finding top class players among a population of 1,904,806 than if you only had 130,425, which is the number in Mayo and that almost one tenth of Dublin's one.

Not quite true, the research shows that there is a disproportionate number of elite athletes who come from areas with approx. 100,000 people. If you want your kid to be an elite athlete move to a city of 100,000!!

These discussions are pointless and unfairness is inbuilt in the GAA. Of course Dublin are dominating because of population and finance but also because of great work being done by an army of volunteers. No point in moaning about that when Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tipp. Kerry etc. enjoy those advantages over Leitrim, Longford, Offaly etc.

You want a fair format, then scrap the counties, if you don't want to do that then suck it up. A lot of us have had to live in the shadows of the big counties for over 100 years.

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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2016, 04:56:25 PM »
My imagined ten regional teams based on more equal populations would at least ensure a more level playing field on that score anyway.
Can we see a future when we'll have both Counties and Regions??
Club Championships May/June, Inter County Championship July/August and Regional Championship September/October.
At least the Emlyn Mulligans of the future would get the chance of showcasing their talents to bigger audiences than at present.
His annual 9 or rare 10 competitive games hardly attract 15,000 people in total.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2016, 11:16:10 AM »
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

You've a better chance of finding top class players among a population of 1,904,806 than if you only had 130,425, which is the number in Mayo and that almost one tenth of Dublin's one.

Not quite true, the research shows that there is a disproportionate number of elite athletes who come from areas with approx. 100,000 people. If you want your kid to be an elite athlete move to a city of 100,000!!

These discussions are pointless and unfairness is inbuilt in the GAA. Of course Dublin are dominating because of population and finance but also because of great work being done by an army of volunteers. No point in moaning about that when Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tipp. Kerry etc. enjoy those advantages over Leitrim, Longford, Offaly etc.

You want a fair format, then scrap the counties, if you don't want to do that then suck it up. A lot of us have had to live in the shadows of the big counties for over 100 years.
Now, now no more of that!  ;D
My point still stands. I don’t want my kids, or anyone else’s, to be elite athletes; just GAA supporters and players if possible.
Here, the odds of Dublin having more players than Mayo is a given.
Anyway, as you say this hypothesising is pure daft. Other counties will aways be in with a shout because Dublin has to field just 15 layers at any one time and that’s the same number as whoever opposes them and anything can happen on a given day.
But crucially Dublin will be there or thereabouts every third Sunday in September and the same can’t be said of any of the others. I think the aim of the Dublin development plan was to see Dublin winning an average of one in every three AIs.
I’d shorten the odds to 2, or even 3, out of 5.

I’ve also said repeatedly that I have no personal grudge against Jim Gavin or his players. They are doing what any other county would do under the same circumstances. Good luck to them; they are not at fault but the intercounty model is.
Far too many counties have no realistic hope of winning Sam and the number is increasing.
My grouse is aimed at some (many?) Dublin supporters both here and elsewhere who go gung ho every time the Dubs win a match and won’t accept that the odds are stacked in their favour every time.
According to them, Dublin’s success can be put down to the sheer talent of the present squad alone and when Connolly, Brogan, Flynn etc. retire, Dublin will sink back into the peloton once more.
That just isn’t going to happen because there's a hell of a lot more going for Dublin than the present team’’s natural abilities.
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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2016, 11:39:32 AM »
These discussions are pointless and unfairness is inbuilt in the GAA. Of course Dublin are dominating because of population and finance but also because of great work being done by an army of volunteers. No point in moaning about that when Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tipp. Kerry etc. enjoy those advantages over Leitrim, Longford, Offaly etc.

Mayo enjoys a 4 fold advantage over Leitrim, not the 10 times Dublin has over Mayo. And of course Dublin enjoys a 40 fold advantage over Mayo, and growing.

Mayo is broadly similar in size to a large set of Irish counties. Dublin is a monster and a growing one.
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2016, 12:01:09 PM »
Using population is a false comparison. In terms of playing population we should be comparing underage playing populations and if we did that then the gap between Dublin and the rest narrows. Besides what are you saying, the Dublin advantage over Mayo, Kerry etc. is so big it's unfair but Mayo's advantages over Leitrim is reasonable so is not unfair?

Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.

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Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2016, 12:10:53 PM »
Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.

It is for Leitrim to articulate whether they are unhappy with the present situation.
And while you might have a case with Cork, breaking up median sized counties is ridiculous.
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2016, 12:30:06 PM »
Why? How many Connacht titles have Leitrim won compared to Mayo? If we are talking about fairness surely the only reason Mayo have been so successful compared to Leitrim is population? They both are passionate about football and have very little hurling so population seems to be the clear difference.

Small counties have always been unhappy about the current situation but if they raised it they'd be laughed out of congress by the counties with 100,000 plus populations but now that Dublin are dominating the those counties they are crying foul.

Again, I'm not disagreeing that Dublin have major advantages and that if they dominate most years it won't be good for the sport. However, if we go down the route of changing the county format I see no reason why it's fair to weaken Dublin so the Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone's of the world can beat them while allowing those same counties retain their advantages over Leitrim etc.