Mayo v Fermanagh, Saturday July 09, 2016 McHale Park

[ballinaman]

When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?

Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.

Does this crap ever end in Mayo?

Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald

All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.

Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots

False.

[muppet]

When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?

Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.

Does this crap ever end in Mayo?

Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald

All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.

Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots

Bullsh*t.

One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.

We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.

I'm afraid not muppet and it was going on all last year aswell.

Are you one of those who savaged McDonald from the terraces? Were you happy when he quit?

[Syferus]

When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?

Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.

Does this crap ever end in Mayo?

Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald

All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.

Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots

Bullsh*t.

One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.

We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.

You're coming off looking like more of a slapped arse than usual Muppet.

[blast05]

In any high performing team setup, the team members are empowered to lead with the management merely acting as the 'servant leaders' to help the team get up to the next level.

In a team sport context, this should mean that a player or players are perfectly entitled to (and should be encouraged to) have an open discussion with management about anything from tactics to team selection. The management should be mature enough to encourage such behaviour and mature enough to factor in the feedback and possibly even change their approach if they really believe it is the right thing to do for the betterment of the team.

The alternative is a 'command and control' culture where the management dictate to the players as if they were young school children. This approach is still the default approach in the majority of gaelic games team setups today unfortunately .... and in soccer, but much less so in say basketball for example.

I am sure Rochford applies the former approach (as in Dublin, Kerry) and i can but speculate that the 'open discussion' i refer to takes place but the idiots on the street who hear about this through perhaps a county board gombeen or a slightly dimwitted player interpret this as players running the show..... and that quite frankly would be bullsh*t

[muppet]

In any high performing team setup, the team members are empowered to lead with the management merely acting as the 'servant leaders' to help the team get up to the next level.

In a team sport context, this should mean that a player or players are perfectly entitled to (and should be encouraged to) have an open discussion with management about anything from tactics to team selection. The management should be mature enough to encourage such behaviour and mature enough to factor in the feedback and possibly even change their approach if they really believe it is the right thing to do for the betterment of the team.

The alternative is a 'command and control' culture where the management dictate to the players as if they were young school children. This approach is still the default approach in the majority of gaelic games team setups today unfortunately .... and in soccer, but much less so in say basketball for example.

I am sure Rochford applies the former approach (as in Dublin, Kerry) and i can but speculate that the 'open discussion' i refer to takes place but the idiots on the street who hear about this through perhaps a county board gombeen or a slightly dimwitted player interpret this as players running the show..... and that quite frankly would be bullsh*t

Agreed. That is a long way from:

"Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing."

Especially since only one of them started the last day. They mustn't have picked themselves.

[larryin89]

Great stuff there blast05. It was only yesterday i read an  interview by balls.ie done with JOM and he said how they thrashed it out with players about tactics after roscommon defeat . Sounded very much like the players had their say too.found it very interesting how he then gave the squad 10 days off as the qualifier wasnt for 3 weeks, no contact at all for ten days.

[seafoid]

Great stuff there blast05. It was only yesterday i read an  interview by balls.ie done with JOM and he said how they thrashed it out with players about tactics after roscommon defeat . Sounded very much like the players had their say too.found it very interesting how he then gave the squad 10 days off as the qualifier wasnt for 3 weeks, no contact at all for ten days.

there was no social media chatter in 2001 when Galway did the qualifier tour. The players just got on with things.
Mayo always have the vulnerability that the nihilism of the fans gets into the minds of the players. Galway hurlers have a similar problem. Both teams should have won an all Ireland in the last decade.   

[bucko]

I'd safely say that there people high up within football in Mayo who were seriously pissed off with the players over Holmes and Connelly's removal who saw the defeat against Galway who saw it as an opportunity to fire a salvo against the supposed ringleaders. It's amazing how quickly that story was circulated, I think I heard it first on the Sunday. I find it very hard to believe that someone like Tony McEntee would be putting in the mileage to put up with that sort of bullshit if it was happening. An All Ireland medal in his back pocket and no soft touch as player I'd say he'd have no problem putting people in their place. What I do think is that O'Shea does need to up his game from the last day, as do a few more players. He was a peripheral enough figure on the day, maybe not helped by him being shifted positionally throughout the game.

[seafoid]

Sean Moran  is a very good analyst of the Mayo psyche 

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/holy-grail-tantalisingly-close-for-mayo-again-1.533750

"I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand,"
– John Cleese (from the film Clockwise)

THE ESSENTIAL poignancy of Mayo was best expressed to me by a native, who proudly (and a little tongue-in-cheek – I think) proclaimed his county as "the second biggest in Ireland – when the tide's out".
Nowhere is the studied dejection and Zen fatalism as evident as in the county's football fortunes: "Mayo, God help us. Where have all the minors gone? Washte of time (I'm going home to burn this)," and all the other expressions of forebodings, all too predictably realised."

They are still in the competition. That is all that matters for the moment.

[skeog]

peter canavan looking to manage you boys now i see sky gig might be ending so he would be available

[mayoman dan]

When will the team be named? Do they know who to pick with all the injuries?

Will be named when the O Se brothers have decided who's playing.

Does this crap ever end in Mayo?

Willie Joe
Liam McHale
Ciarán McDonald

All abused relentlessly by the most ignorant d**kheads amongst our own supporters. Have you considered supporting Roscommon? You would fit in very well there.

Time to take your head from the sand Muppet. Certain players are calling the shots

Bullsh*t.

One loss in Connacht in 6 years and this nonsense starts. Imagine what it will be like if we have a bad couple of years.

We will be back to listening to the d**kheads who chased Ciaran McDonald off the team.

I'm afraid not muppet and it was going on all last year aswell.

Are you one of those who savaged McDonald from the terraces? Were you happy when he quit?

No quite the opposite I was devastated when Mc Donald left. I can see where your coming from here Muppet but the 3 lads you mentioned never went on with the shite that's going on now.

[macdanger2]

Mayoman Dan, what's your source on this??

[Lar Naparka]

I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.

We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.

We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.

Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.

Amen, brother, a bloody men.

Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over  the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again. 

Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.

[seafoid]

I wish we would just leave what has worked well alone. McLoughlin has been one of the best half forwards that we've ever had. Diarmuid O Connor as well even though he's only been there a year or 2. Same the half back line with Keegan, Boyle and now Durkan.

We've enough issues now with 3 of our most athletic players out - 2 of them (Cafferkey and Gibbons) for the year. Time to consolidate and rescue the year as best we can.

We tried to be too clever v Galway. I always wanted Higgins playing in half back line but v Galway he was playing a lot with his back to opposition goal rather than coming onto ball from deeper positions. A role reversal between Higgins and McLoughlin would have been better imo. Over the nearly years McLoughlin has been in the mix of some of the better things we ve done in attack and chipped in regularly with scores as well. It's all there on video if people want to check it out.

Apart from some glaring tactical errors in recent years the biggest failures we've had have been stupid individual decisions players have made. Unfortunately that lack of craftiness was still there in the recent Galway game. Worryingly, our top players still do the daftest things.

Amen, brother, a bloody men.

Your last paragraph just about sums up my frustration ever since James Horan took over  the show.
I have seem the team gradually mature into the most skillful, athletic squad in the land.
Yet the team has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again. 

Time after time, Mayo have gone into overdrive and built up substantial leads only to lift the foot off the pedal to let the opposition back in.
Couldn't see Dublin or Kerry doing that...
Neither Horan or anybody who followed him will go down in history as tactical geniuses but the managers are the only ones who screwed things up.
The present side, IMHO, still has what it takes to go the whole way but only if players and management have learned from the mistakes of the past.

Dubs pre 2011 did it loads of times. Cork footballers and Galway hurlers do it.
Mayo have to get out of the loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNPmj6Azqo

[rosnarun]

they do the daftest thing because they play with a free spirit no found in many counties , most counties esp the northern one play very much o the coaches rule book and do thing that are counter intuitive because that is the decree eg, corner forward sprinting to defend as soon as the ball is lost in keeping with BLASTS 'command and control' culture,
which is all about negativity and elimination of any mistakes esp thise that can be traced back to the coach.
Isish rugby and schmit are perfect example of this .
you look goo for so long but when the heat comes it falls apart .
Major problem with the alternative is if the manager is weak then the loudest voice may rule the day whether it a wise one or not .

MAyo by 10 points