Dublin

[seafoid]

The Dubs were unbackable in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGU9kAtZ3CU

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They can be beaten in a one off it's not like they're going to win 8/9 in a row or anything but I just think it's set up for them to dominate over the next 10/15 years!

[Zulu]

When the GAA was founded Dublin was comparable with several counties, its population was only a bit bigger than other counties and a lot of those were in British Army barracks, TCD, and Unionist suburbs.

Now of course it has a population of the order of  10 times that of other "populous" counties, it is ridiculous and even Gerry Adams could hardly deny that there is an issue.

This is the key to it IMO. The money is a factor, it has to be otherwise why spend it? However, it isn't the key factor. You could spend all the money you want in the small counties and it wouldn't turn them into the Dubs. Any county with a big population advantage will, if they go about their business properly, do better than a smaller county and the Dubs have a massive advantage in that sense. That's the challenge for all other counties and I've limited sympathy for the counties that aren't getting the best out of themselves.

Clare just won the division 3 title with a lot less going for them than Kildare, Tipperary have a much better recent underage record than many football counties, Cavan and Monaghan are doing more with less than a lot of other counties. Some counties need to look at themselves before giving out about the Dubs or anyone else.

[Croí na hÉireann]

If there's one team to topple the dubs it the red hands. We would aboulstey show them zero respect

That ship sailed in 2008

New team now. By respect I mean would have no fear. Not like these other clowns on here who seem to be shitting themselves over Dublin.we would have as good as devolpment structures as there is and if not this year then soon. Dublin is lucky that they have such a good bunch of players but give it a few years and the cycle will change

It will change with a few retirees. I can see the field being very even between 5/6 counties in about 3-5 years. Leinster will be still a cesspit however

Can't see that happening. The imbalance between urban and rural areas, the capital in particular,  will continue to grow at a steadily increasing pace. According to Marty Morrissey in a report on Ballyboden, the club fields over 50 teams. I mentioned this to a friend in Skerries and he told me that the Harps field over 70 teams! I'd wager that the dozen of Mayo's larger clubs wouldn't match that amount. Back in '91 (I think) a report commissioned by Central Council, stated that 5 Dublin clubs could field more underage players than any of five named counties. The situation has not gotten any better in the interim and that's for sure.
The main purpose of the report however was to examine and and assess the rate of fallout as younger players start to move up to the grades.
Dublin was by far the county with the highest drop out. Far more kids, percentage wise, joined GAA clubs than in any other county but the numbers leaving were equally well in front of any other county. Another big concern was that the percentage of those former players severed connection with the club they had played for.
I'd say that 90% plus of the population of Castlebar were solidly behind the Mitchels as they prepared for the final. The commission report referred to the penetration rate, the percentage of the local population that would support the local club.
Would the 'penetration rate' in Firhouse be in double figures? I very much doubt it. The GAA are losing their share of the market as it were, and nowhere as pronounced as in Dublin. The number of super clubs in Dublin is increasing while clubs in Mayo are amalgamating due to the effects of rural depopulation. There are many other counties in the same boat as Mayo and things are not going to change for any of them anytime soon.
If Dublin keep mopping up national titles while at the same time losing a larger and larger share of potential members and supporters, the outlook is bleak for the GAA in general.

Was driving around the area just before the club final and couldn't see ONE flag stuck out the window of a house. Apart from the flags and bunting outside their grounds you wouldn't have a clue anything was going on.

[Farrandeelin]

Good man seafoid. I hope you're right.

[Jinxy]

If there's one team to topple the dubs it the red hands. We would aboulstey show them zero respect

That ship sailed in 2008

New team now. By respect I mean would have no fear. Not like these other clowns on here who seem to be shitting themselves over Dublin.we would have as good as devolpment structures as there is and if not this year then soon. Dublin is lucky that they have such a good bunch of players but give it a few years and the cycle will change

It will change with a few retirees. I can see the field being very even between 5/6 counties in about 3-5 years. Leinster will be still a cesspit however

Can't see that happening. The imbalance between urban and rural areas, the capital in particular,  will continue to grow at a steadily increasing pace. According to Marty Morrissey in a report on Ballyboden, the club fields over 50 teams. I mentioned this to a friend in Skerries and he told me that the Harps field over 70 teams! I'd wager that the dozen of Mayo's larger clubs wouldn't match that amount. Back in '91 (I think) a report commissioned by Central Council, stated that 5 Dublin clubs could field more underage players than any of five named counties. The situation has not gotten any better in the interim and that's for sure.
The main purpose of the report however was to examine and and assess the rate of fallout as younger players start to move up to the grades.
Dublin was by far the county with the highest drop out. Far more kids, percentage wise, joined GAA clubs than in any other county but the numbers leaving were equally well in front of any other county. Another big concern was that the percentage of those former players severed connection with the club they had played for.
I'd say that 90% plus of the population of Castlebar were solidly behind the Mitchels as they prepared for the final. The commission report referred to the penetration rate, the percentage of the local population that would support the local club.
Would the 'penetration rate' in Firhouse be in double figures? I very much doubt it. The GAA are losing their share of the market as it were, and nowhere as pronounced as in Dublin. The number of super clubs in Dublin is increasing while clubs in Mayo are amalgamating due to the effects of rural depopulation. There are many other counties in the same boat as Mayo and things are not going to change for any of them anytime soon.
If Dublin keep mopping up national titles while at the same time losing a larger and larger share of potential members and supporters, the outlook is bleak for the GAA in general.

Was driving around the area just before the club final and couldn't see ONE flag stuck out the window of a house. Apart from the flags and bunting outside their grounds you wouldn't have a clue anything was going on.

I saw plenty of flags around Rathfarnham.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Not buying that this is a special Dublin team and when a few of them retire they will come back into the pack. The last three Dubs to get Footballer of the Year, Jack McCaffrey (travelling), MDMA (a sub) and Alan Brogan (retired), haven't been involved much this year and they are head and shoulders above everyone else. It's their strength in depth that is their biggest asset. It was said by one of the Dunne family who were responsible for introducing heroin into Ireland that "If you think we were bad, just wait till you see what's coming after us." Well wait until you see what is coming down the Dublin production line, the inequality is only going to grow.

[seafoid]

Every time I listen to  the News it's so many new jobs in Dublin.
FFS we haven't even got a bloody job bridge post round here.
Don't know how many pubs, shops and other businesses have gone in the last 5 years .
Farm prices have gone to fcuk and with no broadband we haven't a fcukn chance of picking up any  passing or multi national trade.
Monster created in the East and will devour us all unless the "amateur" GAA steps in to even things up.

That is neoliberalism for you Rossfan . Everything gets centralised. Same in England with London.
Money goes to a small elite. But it is falling apart

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Well wait until you see what is coming down the Dublin production line, the inequality is only going to grow.

So how come they won't win the U-21 final this year?!

[seafoid]

They can be beaten in a one off it's not like they're going to win 8/9 in a row or anything but I just think it's set up for them to dominate over the next 10/15 years!

No way. Galway will be back before then. Kerry will find their mojo. Throne will be in the mix. Meath might even resuscitate. 

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Well wait until you see what is coming down the Dublin production line, the inequality is only going to grow.

So how come they won't win the U-21 final this year?!

What's that got to do with Senior Football? If you can get 2/3 out of an U21 team each season that's more than enough to supplement the Senior team they already have!

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They can be beaten in a one off it's not like they're going to win 8/9 in a row or anything but I just think it's set up for them to dominate over the next 10/15 years!

No way. Galway will be back before then. Kerry will find their mojo. Throne will be in the mix. Meath might even resuscitate.

And maybe they will win one and Kerry a few as well but the Dubs are going to be the new Kilkenny!

Kilkenny have 11/16 All Irelands and Hurling is fucked because of it. The game can't grow anywhere outside its main base because how is anyone from a non Hurling County going to have a chance at winning the big prize?

[Farrandeelin]

Well wait until you see what is coming down the Dublin production line, the inequality is only going to grow.

So how come they won't win the U-21 final this year?!

I'll say it again, Jim Gavin is managing the Dublin seniors. Not the u21s. If only people could see this. If Dublin continue to win games without breaking sweat when he goes, then I'll get worried.

[armaghniac]

They can be beaten in a one off it's not like they're going to win 8/9 in a row or anything but I just think it's set up for them to dominate over the next 10/15 years!

No way. Galway will be back before then. Kerry will find their mojo. Throne will be in the mix. Meath might even resuscitate.

And maybe they will win one and Kerry a few as well but the Dubs are going to be the new Kilkenny!

Kilkenny have 11/16 All Irelands and Hurling is fucked because of it. The game can't grow anywhere outside its main base because how is anyone from a non Hurling County going to have a chance at winning the big prize?

Not quite the same situation, Kilkenny don't have an unfair advantage, other than perhaps not giving football any opportunity whatsoever. There is no reason why Cork, Tipp should match them any year (if those counties were well organised), and Clare, Waterford, Limerick, Galway, Wexford, Dublin, and even Offaly and Antrim  in some years.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Well wait until you see what is coming down the Dublin production line, the inequality is only going to grow.

So how come they won't win the U-21 final this year?!

Because they were beaten by one point in the semi-final. Not a particularly strong age group but there are a couple there who will follow in Cormac Costello and Brian Fentons footprints, challenge for a starting spot and increase the strength in depth.