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Re: "Super clubs"
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2016, 05:13:57 PM »
Tomás Corrigan was on Newstalk a couple of weeks ago saying he joint Plunketts purely because he was training with them for the past 2 years while continuing to play with his club at home. New job was the reason he had to give up the travelling back for club games/training. Interesting interview and an honest rebuttal of the implication that all these transfers are financially incentivised. I'm sure some are though and to act as a deterrent new transfers should be barred from playing for the first team for the first year.

That just an excuse. Is he travelling back to Fermanagh for inter county training every week? I dont get playing still playing inter county football transferring to Dublin clubs. Most of them players are likely to more games for than county than club in a season

Yes, AFAIK. He said it was one thing asking for time off work from a new job to go to inter county training with Fermanagh, but it was another to ask for more time off work to go training/playing with his club in Fermanagh. Plus you have all that travel expenses you'd have to fund yourself. Seems fair enough and reasonable to me.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2016, 06:27:10 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2016, 09:09:21 PM »
Maybe just cap the number of non-Dublin players per panel? How many do Vincent's now have?  :o

Or player be assigned a club by the Dublin Co Board. Provide proof of where you are living and you will be assigned a club that is north city, south city, west city,  based on where you live. So if those 3 Mayo lads are all living and working on the north side, one goes to Clontarf, one goes to Raheny and one goes to Whitehall. Each transfer request is treated equally and they are done on a rota. Vincents have to wait their turn, like everyone else.   

If players are allowed to chose themselves, then the same handful of big and successful clubs will keep on hoovering up the inter county standard players and, the same smaller clubs remain smaller and unsuccessful.
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2016, 08:01:14 AM »
Maybe just cap the number of non-Dublin players per panel? How many do Vincent's now have?  :o

Or player be assigned a club by the Dublin Co Board. Provide proof of where you are living and you will be assigned a club that is north city, south city, west city,  based on where you live. So if those 3 Mayo lads are all living and working on the north side, one goes to Clontarf, one goes to Raheny and one goes to Whitehall. Each transfer request is treated equally and they are done on a rota. Vincents have to wait their turn, like everyone else.   

If players are allowed to chose themselves, then the same handful of big and successful clubs will keep on hoovering up the inter county standard players and the same smaller clubs remain smaller and unsuccessful.

this seems very fair to me

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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2016, 11:21:15 AM »
A geographic draft system, combined with the ability for a player to choose a less popular club of their own volition, might be an idea.
I would also do the same for people travelling to N. American clubs in the summer, it is desirable that visiting students etc get games, but not that they all go to the same club and you have a team of blowins.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2016, 02:10:48 PM »
Maybe just cap the number of non-Dublin players per panel? How many do Vincent's now have?  :o

Or player be assigned a club by the Dublin Co Board. Provide proof of where you are living and you will be assigned a club that is north city, south city, west city,  based on where you live. So if those 3 Mayo lads are all living and working on the north side, one goes to Clontarf, one goes to Raheny and one goes to Whitehall. Each transfer request is treated equally and they are done on a rota. Vincents have to wait their turn, like everyone else.   

If players are allowed to chose themselves, then the same handful of big and successful clubs will keep on hoovering up the inter county standard players and the same smaller clubs remain smaller and unsuccessful.

this seems very fair to me

I'm presuming Dublin CB, like every other CB is made up a club representatives and with that may come bias or allegations of bias if the likes of this was introduced.

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2016, 02:59:00 PM »
I'm presuming Dublin CB, like every other CB is made up a club representatives and with that may come bias or allegations of bias if the likes of this was introduced.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2016, 03:05:28 PM »
I'm presuming Dublin CB, like every other CB is made up a club representatives and with that may come bias or allegations of bias if the likes of this was introduced.

Bias on behalf of who?

It could be very simple. Clubs are assigned a number alphabetically. Players who are transferring, are assigned to a club based on the date that they send their transfer request in. First request in goes to Club 1, second request in goes to Club 2 and so on. All transfers are treated equally. Inter county lads do not get special treatment, so that they are not all sent to the better clubs. So a super club like Vincents, is just as likely to get a 38 year old, 15 stone plummer, who just wants a kick about a couple of nights a week, as they are an inter county super star.

If an inter county star is sent to a less successful club & thinks it may impact him by not playing with players of his own level, that is too bad. It's not the job of the Dublin Co Board to nursemaid the careers of non Dublin players. They should be looking after their own players first and protecting the integrity & fairness of their own club system first.

Similarly, if a player has a friend from home, or a relation who plays for a particular club and wants to go there, he can request it, but it is not guaranteed. Ireland is a very small county & Dublin has a population of 1.2 million. We can probably all find a connection to a super club in Dublin, or find a "friend" there, if we try hard enough. If you are an inter county star and the club is bending over backwards to find you that "friend," that connection is even easier to manufacture.
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2016, 11:16:12 AM »
I'm presuming Dublin CB, like every other CB is made up a club representatives and with that may come bias or allegations of bias if the likes of this was introduced.

Bias on behalf of who?

It could be very simple. Clubs are assigned a number alphabetically. Players who are transferring, are assigned to a club based on the date that they send their transfer request in. First request in goes to Club 1, second request in goes to Club 2 and so on. All transfers are treated equally. Inter county lads do not get special treatment, so that they are not all sent to the better clubs. So a super club like Vincents, is just as likely to get a 38 year old, 15 stone plummer, who just wants a kick about a couple of nights a week, as they are an inter county super star.

If an inter county star is sent to a less successful club & thinks it may impact him by not playing with players of his own level, that is too bad. It's not the job of the Dublin Co Board to nursemaid the careers of non Dublin players. They should be looking after their own players first and protecting the integrity & fairness of their own club system first.

Similarly, if a player has a friend from home, or a relation who plays for a particular club and wants to go there, he can request it, but it is not guaranteed. Ireland is a very small county & Dublin has a population of 1.2 million. We can probably all find a connection to a super club in Dublin, or find a "friend" there, if we try hard enough. If you are an inter county star and the club is bending over backwards to find you that "friend," that connection is even easier to manufacture.

As much as there probably isn't a parish rule in play in Dublin, surely where the lad is living should have a bearing on the club he could transfer to. Would it be smart or wise to ask a lad living in Sandyford to play for Naomh Mearnog whether he is a 15 stone plumber or an intercounty wannabe.


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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2016, 02:02:48 PM »
As much as there probably isn't a parish rule in play in Dublin, surely where the lad is living should have a bearing on the club he could transfer to. Would it be smart or wise to ask a lad living in Sandyford to play for Naomh Mearnog whether he is a 15 stone plumber or an intercounty wannabe.

Of course it's unrealistic to expect someone who lives in Sandyford, to play for a club in Portmarnock. I said in my original post, that the players submit proof of where they live, along with their transfer request. The DCB will then assign them to a club on the north side, south side or west side of the city, based on where they live.

You could even refine it further and include north county & south county Dublin, as well as north city and south city. If you live in Rush, Lusk, Balbriggan, Swords etc, traveling to/from Clontarf or Whitehall for training, during rush hour traffic, could be a major pain.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2016, 03:31:47 PM »
How about Straffan ;D?
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2016, 04:04:46 PM »
You could even refine it further and include north county & south county Dublin, as well as north city and south city. If you live in Rush, Lusk, Balbriggan, Swords etc, traveling to/from Clontarf or Whitehall for training, during rush hour traffic, could be a major pain.

All of these details can be attended to. And I would only count in senior players in senior clubs, if you want to join the thirds to keep fit then no problem and no need for bureaucracy.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2016, 04:18:02 PM »
You could even refine it further and include north county & south county Dublin, as well as north city and south city. If you live in Rush, Lusk, Balbriggan, Swords etc, traveling to/from Clontarf or Whitehall for training, during rush hour traffic, could be a major pain.

All of these details can be attended to. And I would only count in senior players in senior clubs, if you want to join the thirds to keep fit then no problem and no need for bureaucracy.

Not so sure about that. Some clubs that are not at the Senior level, (or have just recently been promoted to it,) have excellent facilities & have produced some very good players. Bryan Cullen, Paul Flynn, and Ciaran Kilkenny have not had their inter county careers stunted, because Skerries Harps, Fingallians and Castleknock were not at Senior level when they started out.

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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2016, 04:52:11 PM »
Not so sure about that. Some clubs that are not at the Senior level, (or have just recently been promoted to it,) have excellent facilities & have produced some very good players. Bryan Cullen, Paul Flynn, and Ciaran Kilkenny have not had their inter county careers stunted, because Skerries Harps, Fingallians and Castleknock were not at Senior level when they started out.

That isn't the question, the question is whether these clubs are attracting a lot of inbound players. If so then they should have a quota too.
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2016, 04:58:37 PM »
Not so sure about that. Some clubs that are not at the Senior level, (or have just recently been promoted to it,) have excellent facilities & have produced some very good players. Bryan Cullen, Paul Flynn, and Ciaran Kilkenny have not had their inter county careers stunted, because Skerries Harps, Fingallians and Castleknock were not at Senior level when they started out.

That isn't the question, the question is whether these clubs are attracting a lot of inbound players. If so then they should have a quota too.

I seriously doubt if they are attracting inter county standard players. If it was up to you, would you want to play for a second tier club, down the road from you, that will never challenge for All Ireland club champo honours.....or the one that will & is chock a block with inter county Dubs and inter county players from other counties? If it's left up to the players to decide, they will never choose the former.