Conservative Watch

[seafoid]

This is a serious suggestion but I think the left / right divide has grown to the point it might be worth considering splitting some countries up. From what I can see all either side are doing is stopping the other from going where they want without doing anything effective themselves.

Furthermore from what I can see, the conservative movement in America has effectively died because it wasn't willing to fight for what really mattered to those that voted for them namely immigration. I see this in the U.K. too, where the Conservative party don't appear to actually conserve anything. That is why you have ukip but I don't think that's the end of it. I think space has opened up for a party to go even further than them.

A similar pattern is happening on the left where they have held the political and social reigns for so long, drifting slowly into holding ludicrous positions that is alienating many people while also dragging the so called conservatives to the left on some issues. What I think this means is that the middle ground is a no mans land.

It's hard to see what actually unites these countries anymore, it's one thing to be an American but those people who are voting for Trump want a completely different future America to those who vote for Hillary or Sanders. So why stop each other from getting what they want. Soon merely sharing citizenship just won't be enough.

Theresa May might like to trot out the line about shared British values but I think most people rightly see that as plain nonsense. British values according to Dalrymple or Peter Hitchens are not those espoused by Corbyn or Yasmin Ali Brown.

If you think I'm getting carried away well perhaps I am but it might be something to think about when you find yourself start to tremble at the thought of a Trump presidency.

Good post Juice. Parties struggle because they are funded by special interests who forbid discussion of the big issue that unites left and right voters namely income Inequality.  This is crucifying muintir Trump but all he talks about is inanities such as making America great again and building a wall

[stew]

This is a serious suggestion but I think the left / right divide has grown to the point it might be worth considering splitting some countries up. From what I can see all either side are doing is stopping the other from going where they want without doing anything effective themselves.

Furthermore from what I can see, the conservative movement in America has effectively died because it wasn't willing to fight for what really mattered to those that voted for them namely immigration. I see this in the U.K. too, where the Conservative party don't appear to actually conserve anything. That is why you have ukip but I don't think that's the end of it. I think space has opened up for a party to go even further than them.

A similar pattern is happening on the left where they have held the political and social reigns for so long, drifting slowly into holding ludicrous positions that is alienating many people while also dragging the so called conservatives to the left on some issues. What I think this means is that the middle ground is a no mans land.

It's hard to see what actually unites these countries anymore, it's one thing to be an American but those people who are voting for Trump want a completely different future America to those who vote for Hillary or Sanders. So why stop each other from getting what they want. Soon merely sharing citizenship just won't be enough.

Theresa May might like to trot out the line about shared British values but I think most people rightly see that as plain nonsense. British values according to Dalrymple or Peter Hitchens are not those espoused by Corbyn or Yasmin Ali Brown.

If you think I'm getting carried away well perhaps I am but it might be something to think about when you find yourself start to tremble at the thought of a Trump presidency.

Good post Juice. Parties struggle because they are funded by special interests who forbid discussion of the big issue that unites left and right voters namely income Inequality.  This is crucifying muintir Trump but all he talks about is inanities such as making America great again and building a wall

You do realise that you liberals have your future wanabee President under investigation by the FBI don't you?

Can Presidents sit in office whilst incarcerated in a Federal prison?

Finally, the US is a democracy for the most part ( Democratic superdelegates aside) as the old Stones number goes ' you can't always get what you want' I know im not, if  Killory is not in jail she is the next President of the USA, how anybody could vote for that corporate whore is beyond me but hey, the people will have spoken and the republicans deserve everything they get, they allowed a neo liberal like trump to destroy their credibility and I would not be surprised if he held a cabinet post in a Clinton White House, nothing is beneath these scumbags, time to feel the Bern!

[Eamonnca1]

how anybody could vote for that corporate whore is beyond me

Ask your mates who have been voting for Republican corporate puppets for the last few decades.

[gallsman]

This is a serious suggestion but I think the left / right divide has grown to the point it might be worth considering splitting some countries up. From what I can see all either side are doing is stopping the other from going where they want without doing anything effective themselves.

Furthermore from what I can see, the conservative movement in America has effectively died because it wasn't willing to fight for what really mattered to those that voted for them namely immigration. I see this in the U.K. too, where the Conservative party don't appear to actually conserve anything. That is why you have ukip but I don't think that's the end of it. I think space has opened up for a party to go even further than them.

A similar pattern is happening on the left where they have held the political and social reigns for so long, drifting slowly into holding ludicrous positions that is alienating many people while also dragging the so called conservatives to the left on some issues. What I think this means is that the middle ground is a no mans land.

It's hard to see what actually unites these countries anymore, it's one thing to be an American but those people who are voting for Trump want a completely different future America to those who vote for Hillary or Sanders. So why stop each other from getting what they want. Soon merely sharing citizenship just won't be enough.

Theresa May might like to trot out the line about shared British values but I think most people rightly see that as plain nonsense. British values according to Dalrymple or Peter Hitchens are not those espoused by Corbyn or Yasmin Ali Brown.

If you think I'm getting carried away well perhaps I am but it might be something to think about when you find yourself start to tremble at the thought of a Trump presidency.

Good post Juice. Parties struggle because they are funded by special interests who forbid discussion of the big issue that unites left and right voters namely income Inequality.  This is crucifying muintir Trump but all he talks about is inanities such as making America great again and building a wall

You do realise that you liberals have your future wanabee President under investigation by the FBI don't you?

Can Presidents sit in office whilst incarcerated in a Federal prison?

Finally, the US is a democracy for the most part ( Democratic superdelegates aside) as the old Stones number goes ' you can't always get what you want' I know im not, if  Killory is not in jail she is the next President of the USA, how anybody could vote for that corporate whore is beyond me but hey, the people will have spoken and the republicans deserve everything they get, they allowed a neo liberal like trump to destroy their credibility and I would not be surprised if he held a cabinet post in a Clinton White House, nothing is beneath these scumbags, time to feel the Bern!

[deiseach]

In a world where there is a musical about a previous Secretary of the Treasury, I guess Trump getting the job isn't that far-fetched.

[Declan]

http://www.amazon.com/The-Best-Democracy-Money-Can/dp/0452285674

Essential Reading - shills on all side of the political spectrum

[omagh_gael]

A Tory with a social conscience? Is it possible??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35848687

[armaghniac]

A Tory with a social conscience? Is it possible??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35848687

Possible, but unlikely, more likely he will now row into the Brexit debate.

[Samforever]

IDS has been the main driver behind welfare reform including disability welfare so this is a strange one.He is spot on with his analysis re Osborne looking after the elite yet again. However I feel this is more to do with Brexit and no doubt there will be more blood on the Tory carpet before June

[stew]

In fairness Trumps latest ad is a gas, it features killory barking like a mad basted, that is going to get some amount of airtime, the barking scene, I watched it live, mouth agape, what the hell was she thinking?

[muppet]

In fairness Trumps latest ad is a gas, it features killory barking like a mad basted, that is going to get some amount of airtime, the barking scene, I watched it live, mouth agape, what the hell was she thinking?

If she was barking she was probably reaching out to people like you. 

[stew]

In fairness Trumps latest ad is a gas, it features killory barking like a mad basted, that is going to get some amount of airtime, the barking scene, I watched it live, mouth agape, what the hell was she thinking?

If she was barking she was probably reaching out to people like you. 

Hardly ,she was at her own rally so she wasvtalking to the right people! 

[muppet]

In fairness Trumps latest ad is a gas, it features killory barking like a mad basted, that is going to get some amount of airtime, the barking scene, I watched it live, mouth agape, what the hell was she thinking?

If she was barking she was probably reaching out to people like you. 

Hardly ,she was at her own rally so she wasvtalking to the right people! 

She still got her message to you though. 

[stew]

In fairness Trumps latest ad is a gas, it features killory barking like a mad basted, that is going to get some amount of airtime, the barking scene, I watched it live, mouth agape, what the hell was she thinking?

If she was barking she was probably reaching out to people like you. 

Hardly ,she was at her own rally so she wasvtalking to the right people! 

She still got her message to you though. 

That she is barking mad, nah, I knew that already.

[Gmac]

This is a serious suggestion but I think the left / right divide has grown to the point it might be worth considering splitting some countries up. From what I can see all either side are doing is stopping the other from going where they want without doing anything effective themselves.

Furthermore from what I can see, the conservative movement in America has effectively died because it wasn't willing to fight for what really mattered to those that voted for them namely immigration. I see this in the U.K. too, where the Conservative party don't appear to actually conserve anything. That is why you have ukip but I don't think that's the end of it. I think space has opened up for a party to go even further than them.

A similar pattern is happening on the left where they have held the political and social reigns for so long, drifting slowly into holding ludicrous positions that is alienating many people while also dragging the so called conservatives to the left on some issues. What I think this means is that the middle ground is a no mans land.

It's hard to see what actually unites these countries anymore, it's one thing to be an American but those people who are voting for Trump want a completely different future America to those who vote for Hillary or Sanders. So why stop each other from getting what they want. Soon merely sharing citizenship just won't be enough.

Theresa May might like to trot out the line about shared British values but I think most people rightly see that as plain nonsense. British values according to Dalrymple or Peter Hitchens are not those espoused by Corbyn or Yasmin Ali Brown.

If you think I'm getting carried away well perhaps I am but it might be something to think about when you find yourself start to tremble at the thought of a Trump presidency.

I'd be all in favour of Texas seceding.

texas seceded before and the country fought a civil war to restore them and other states to the union might be easier if u left the country instead.👍