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[T Fearon]

How do you know it doesn't? Also does the ad even mention salvation or is it just a gentle reminder of arguably the best known of all Christian prayers,in which case it, by any reasonable criteria,is totally harmless?

[muppet]

How do you know it doesn't? Also does the ad even mention salvation or is it just a gentle reminder of arguably the best known of all Christian prayers,in which case it, by any reasonable criteria,is totally harmless?

Read it again.

I said it hasn't been observed to be true.

'Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven;


Is there any proof anywhere of these claims?

[omaghjoe]

How do you know it doesn't? Also does the ad even mention salvation or is it just a gentle reminder of arguably the best known of all Christian prayers,in which case it, by any reasonable criteria,is totally harmless?

Read it again.

I said it hasn't been observed to be true.

'Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven;


Is there any proof anywhere of these claims?

By the same token Muppet it hasn't been observed not to be true.... and its not physics we are dealing with here so observing it is outta the question. Its within a different realm to the physical.
Religion offers faith in eternal salvation, nothing observable, faith.

Regarding your quote from the Lord Prayer those are not declarations or even a resolutions from the speaker, its a request from the speaker to God.

Could I suggest you re-examine your faith (earnestly) it seems you may have misunderstood much of it.

[T Fearon]

Omaghjoe,you are wasting your time appealing for impartiality from theophobes like Muppet.

The fact is an ad about any other subject/product under the sun (apart from pornography and extreme violence) would be broadcast without any fuss in the cinema,which makes this ban an obvious case of shameful discrimination

[omaghjoe]

Omaghjoe,you are wasting your time appealing for impartiality from theophobes like Muppet.

The fact is an ad about any other subject/product under the sun (apart from pornography and extreme violence) would be broadcast without any fuss in the cinema,which makes this ban an obvious case of shameful discrimination

I may well be wasting my time however I set my case out about the discrimination so if people still think its not thats fine its only an opinion and unlikely to change anything.

Anyway We are all God's children Tony and isn't part of our mission to spread the word of Jesus to everyone?

I dont want to cause offence to people or get people's backs up or anything else, I would just like them to have the opportunity to enjoy faith in their lives.

[Milltown Row2]

Omaghjoe,you are wasting your time appealing for impartiality from theophobes like Muppet.

The fact is an ad about any other subject/product under the sun (apart from pornography and extreme violence) would be broadcast without any fuss in the cinema,which makes this ban an obvious case of shameful discrimination

I may well be wasting my time however I set my case out about the discrimination so if people still think its not thats fine its only an opinion and unlikely to change anything.

Anyway We are all God's children Tony and isn't part of our mission to spread the word of Jesus to everyone?

I dont want to cause offence to people or get people's backs up or anything else, I would just like them to have the opportunity to enjoy faith in their lives.

Its it ok not to have faith but still be a good person with fantastic morales and be a role model for their family??

Your faith says you are right, above everyone else.... What if you are wrong and have been following the wrong faith?? 

Live your lives but let others live theirs... If there is a god of sorts then he'll hardly be discriminating, he'll hardly banish you for living a good life ....

[omaghjoe]

Omaghjoe,you are wasting your time appealing for impartiality from theophobes like Muppet.

The fact is an ad about any other subject/product under the sun (apart from pornography and extreme violence) would be broadcast without any fuss in the cinema,which makes this ban an obvious case of shameful discrimination

I may well be wasting my time however I set my case out about the discrimination so if people still think its not thats fine its only an opinion and unlikely to change anything.

Anyway We are all God's children Tony and isn't part of our mission to spread the word of Jesus to everyone?

I dont want to cause offence to people or get people's backs up or anything else, I would just like them to have the opportunity to enjoy faith in their lives.

Its it ok not to have faith but still be a good person with fantastic morales and be a role model for their family??

Absolutely for me at least (but Im not God!), although they'd be missing out on a realtionship with God in this life.

Your faith says you are right, above everyone else

???No it certainly does not.

.... What if you are wrong and have been following the wrong faith?? 

Trying to answer or even understand such a question from the confines of this life would be impossible and its a question that could be thrown at all theists and atheists. But in a scenario as you describe I would say to him... well it was your call of faith I was answering I was just on the wrong boat....

Live your lives but let others live theirs

I agree

... If there is a god of sorts then he'll hardly be discriminating, he'll hardly banish you for living a good life ....

Im not actually God so cant actually answer that but I would say probably not. However its the relationship you have with him in this life will also be a massive benefit to you here.

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Was chatting to a couple of Danes yesterday through work and the chat got going about Religion. They said the Church and Christianity is on the decline in Scandinavia nobody really bothers with it anymore, they have a baptism and a funeral in the Church and don't use it for much else.

Given that these countries have the best education/lowest poverty & crime rates/good standards of living would that not show us the way forward?

[muppet]

How do you know it doesn't? Also does the ad even mention salvation or is it just a gentle reminder of arguably the best known of all Christian prayers,in which case it, by any reasonable criteria,is totally harmless?

Read it again.

I said it hasn't been observed to be true.

'Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven;


Is there any proof anywhere of these claims?

By the same token Muppet it hasn't been observed not to be true.... and its not physics we are dealing with here so observing it is outta the question. Its within a different realm to the physical.
Religion offers faith in eternal salvation, nothing observable, faith.

Regarding your quote from the Lord Prayer those are not declarations or even a resolutions from the speaker, its a request from the speaker to God.

Could I suggest you re-examine your faith (earnestly) it seems you may have misunderstood much of it.

The comment regarding observation relates to proof. That doesn't just apply to physics. It applies to everything.

As for the prayer being a request, I don't see it that way. It reads as statements of fact. Unsupported facts.

The prayer names God and states as I quoted 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven'. It may be correct, but no one has ever proven any of it. Where in the observed Universe is 'Heaven'?

You state religion offers eternal salvation. As Hardy perfectly pointed out, adverts are required to be able to support any claims they make.

Having 'Faith' is not a valid argument. Which faith should I have faith in? What proof is there that one or any of them is valid? Why does faith seem to keep changing over the centuries? Why was so much of it wrong? Faith sentenced Galileo to house arrest for his last years for daring to suggest that the earth went around the sun. Fatih was wrong while observation was right. It took faith 350 years to apologise for that.

If there is a God, and there may well be, fatih as we know it seems to have nothing to do with Him.

[T Fearon]

Just arrived home there and my letterbox contained a calendar for 2016 containing some of the six counties most iconic sights with a different bible passage printed on each of the twelve months.There was also some tracts,all from a Gospel Hall in Newry.Is this legal?

[muppet]

Just arrived home there and my letterbox contained a calendar for 2016 containing some of the six counties most iconic sights with a different bible passage printed on each of the twelve months.There was also some tracts,all from a Gospel Hall in Newry.Is this legal?

If you are participant, member or contributor, then of course not.

[Milltown Row2]

Just arrived home there and my letterbox contained a calendar for 2016 containing some of the six counties most iconic sights with a different bible passage printed on each of the twelve months.There was also some tracts,all from a Gospel Hall in Newry.Is this legal?

If you are participant, member or contributor, then of course not.

No, sue them

[OgraAnDun]

Just arrived home there and my letterbox contained a calendar for 2016 containing some of the six counties most iconic sights with a different bible passage printed on each of the twelve months.There was also some tracts,all from a Gospel Hall in Newry.Is this legal?

How can a man who calls the northern statelet 'the six counties' advocate voting for the DUP?

Hypocrisy at its very best, go away and WUM somewhere else, Tony.

[muppet]

Just arrived home there and my letterbox contained a calendar for 2016 containing some of the six counties most iconic sights with a different bible passage printed on each of the twelve months.There was also some tracts,all from a Gospel Hall in Newry.Is this legal?

You enter their colouring competition every year, don't you?

[omaghjoe]

How do you know it doesn't? Also does the ad even mention salvation or is it just a gentle reminder of arguably the best known of all Christian prayers,in which case it, by any reasonable criteria,is totally harmless?

Read it again.

I said it hasn't been observed to be true.

'Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven;


Is there any proof anywhere of these claims?

By the same token Muppet it hasn't been observed not to be true.... and its not physics we are dealing with here so observing it is outta the question. Its within a different realm to the physical.
Religion offers faith in eternal salvation, nothing observable, faith.

Regarding your quote from the Lord Prayer those are not declarations or even a resolutions from the speaker, its a request from the speaker to God.

Could I suggest you re-examine your faith (earnestly) it seems you may have misunderstood much of it.

The comment regarding observation relates to proof. That doesn't just apply to physics. It applies to everything.

As for the prayer being a request, I don't see it that way. It reads as statements of fact. Unsupported facts.

The prayer names God and states as I quoted 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven'. It may be correct, but no one has ever proven any of it. Where in the observed Universe is 'Heaven'?

You state religion offers eternal salvation. As Hardy perfectly pointed out, adverts are required to be able to support any claims they make.

Having 'Faith' is not a valid argument. Which faith should I have faith in? What proof is there that one or any of them is valid? Why does faith seem to keep changing over the centuries? Why was so much of it wrong? Faith sentenced Galileo to house arrest for his last years for daring to suggest that the earth went around the sun. Fatih was wrong while observation was right. It took faith 350 years to apologise for that.

If there is a God, and there may well be, fatih as we know it seems to have nothing to do with Him.

It is not a statement of facts, the first few lines maybe as an honour to our Lord but from then on its requests. If it was one of the Creeds you might have a point but its not, its a prayer.
If you would like further reading here's a link, its really quite interesting from a spiritual point of view.
http://clarionherald.info/clarion/index.php/special-sections/year-of-renewal-the-mass/1085-explaining-the-seven-petitions-of-the-our-father

Heaven that you talk about is unlikely to be in the observed Universe. If you are looking for heaven through our physical perception of the universe your almost certainly looking in the wrong place.

I stated Religion offers faith in Eternal Salvation, that faith is required from each individual

Besides its a nonsense that ads can only say things that can be measured. I dont know how many times i've seen "World's best this/that/other" Its pure subjective in the same way that faith is, not to mention that Eternal Salvation wasnt even mentioned in the CoE ad

Faith has always been there but you seem to be talking about it in the way its referred to as organised religion. Which although organised religion is an expression of the faith given by God to man, by its very nature is organised by man and thus prone to mans failures. It generally works within the confines of how the physical realm is understood by society at that time. Didnt Galileo get a hard time from other astronomers at that time also?

If you are asking which religion to go for Id say go for the religion that best suits your faith, faith community and tradition. And dont be afraid of not agreeing with it 100%, as part of the congregation you are there to contribute to it which you will be by expressing your difficulties marrying faith in God and your physical perception of the world.