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« Reply #9945 on: October 13, 2021, 11:43:39 AM »
As we are still within the 'grace periods' and the Protocol hasn't even been fully implemented yet, I think it's a little early to say that it is working.

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« Reply #9946 on: October 13, 2021, 12:01:00 PM »
Supply chains have went N/S very quickly instead of E/W, think that's sent a few alarms off in Sovereignty HQ

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« Reply #9947 on: October 13, 2021, 01:02:45 PM »
Varadkar is spot on. The UK is no longer an honest broker.

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« Reply #9948 on: October 13, 2021, 01:14:37 PM »
Varadkar is spot on. The UK is no longer an honest broker.

Except for the "No Longer" bit he is spot on.

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« Reply #9949 on: October 13, 2021, 01:50:56 PM »
Correct.....but now they're totally open about it!!
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« Reply #9950 on: October 13, 2021, 02:21:54 PM »
Britain are running from being a perceived vassal state of the EU into the arms of being a bona fide vassal state of the US

When Trump gets re-elected Britain will get thoroughly subsumed as the 51st state and then summarily rogered

Ireland needs re-unified and the f**k out of Britain's death grip asap, hopefully the Scots can grow and pair and get the ball rolling

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« Reply #9951 on: October 13, 2021, 02:23:23 PM »
There's nothing to fear because it's mostly fanciful, but NI's lot will improve because of UK grandstanding, unless they go full nuclear on A16, which I doubt they will.

Article 16 isn't the panacea the thick loyalists think it is. They've painted themselves into such a corner now that no matter what way they turn, no matter what they do, they bring the reunification of our country a step closer. It's an absolute joy to watch their desperation.

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« Reply #9952 on: October 13, 2021, 03:45:53 PM »
They might think that they are being politically clever by making agreements, hailing them, then reneging on them. Attempting to renegotiate those same agreements, seeking additional concessions from those originally agreed, then threatening to rip them up altogether. But they are just simply talking to themselves. Internationally they are embarrassing themselves and must be scraping the barrel when it comes to having any credibility left.

Frost and Johnson have been playing to their own rules and they have seen that it has had no impact on their polling figures, so they will continue onwards even if this exacerbates the economic self harm of their own country. Providing there is no self harm to those influential Tory MPs in positions of power, they will not care one jot.         

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« Reply #9953 on: October 13, 2021, 04:11:50 PM »
They might think that they are being politically clever by making agreements, hailing them, then reneging on them. Attempting to renegotiate those same agreements, seeking additional concessions from those originally agreed, then threatening to rip them up altogether. But they are just simply talking to themselves. Internationally they are embarrassing themselves and must be scraping the barrel when it comes to having any credibility left.

Frost and Johnson have been playing to their own rules and they have seen that it has had no impact on their polling figures, so they will continue onwards even if this exacerbates the economic self harm of their own country. Providing there is no self harm to those influential Tory MPs in positions of power, they will not care one jot.       

A lover scorned and all that but Cummings is going in hard on Boris being useless which I think we can all agree on, but it does beg the question who's calling the shots at the heart of Westminster??


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« Reply #9954 on: October 13, 2021, 04:22:56 PM »
They might think that they are being politically clever by making agreements, hailing them, then reneging on them. Attempting to renegotiate those same agreements, seeking additional concessions from those originally agreed, then threatening to rip them up altogether. But they are just simply talking to themselves. Internationally they are embarrassing themselves and must be scraping the barrel when it comes to having any credibility left.

Frost and Johnson have been playing to their own rules and they have seen that it has had no impact on their polling figures, so they will continue onwards even if this exacerbates the economic self harm of their own country. Providing there is no self harm to those influential Tory MPs in positions of power, they will not care one jot.       

A lover scorned and all that but Cummings is going in hard on Boris being useless which I think we can all agree on, but it does beg the question who's calling the shots at the heart of Westminster??

I'd hazard a guess that Fleet Street and Rupert Murdoch have a considerable influence. You can be rest assured that those pulling the strings are doing it out of self interest.

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« Reply #9955 on: October 13, 2021, 06:22:43 PM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
The EU has promised to eliminate at least half of the customs controls on goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the United Kingdom. A system, similar to Brexiteers' favoured "max fac" option, would be drawn up to monitor more closely the GB/NI trade flows.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
The EU has promised to eliminate at least half of the customs controls on goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the United Kingdom. A system, similar to Brexiteers' favoured "max fac" option, would be drawn up to monitor more closely the GB/NI trade flows.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
Using real-time data, European customs officials would monitor trade across the Irish Sea to establish a risk-based system that would allow businesses in the province to submit simplified paperwork for any shipments from Great Brexit.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
Under the plan, the EU and UK will draw up a list of products that are not deemed to be at risk of entering the Single Market, across the invisible border with the RoI . Goods on this register would not be subjected to trade tariffs and could use an "express lane" to enter the province from Britain with little to no checks.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
The bloc has proposed implementing special safeguards, such as enhanced surveillance of trade flows and termination clauses. The bloc wants to monitor every step in the supply chain to ensure only products meeting its standards can enter Northern Ireland.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
With the UK opposed to aligning to the EU's animal and plant health rules, the European Commission's proposals aim to do away with around 80 per cent of checks needed for meat and plants being shipped to Northern Ireland.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
 One of the main proposals by Brussels is to drastically cut the amount of paperwork businesses must submit when sending food products to the province.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/

Normally, firms would require a separate customs declaration for each different type of food, but now lorries, even carrying 100 different products, will only require one form.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
The EU, however, refused to offer any concessions on the movement of pets, such as dogs, cats and ferrets, between mainland Britain and Northern Ireland.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
The Commission said the introduction of pet passports would only be possible if the UK agrees to dynamically align to the bloc's animal and food safety rules.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
The EU is ready to offer a derogation allowing pharmaceutical firms based in Britain to continue supplying cheap generic medicines to Northern Ireland.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/13/revealed-eus-four-pronged-plan-reform-northern-ireland-protocol/
 The European Commission drastically wants to improve dialogue with stakeholders in Northern Ireland over the functioning and implementation of the protocol.


Under its proposals, the EU will set up structured forums to discuss problems that arise from the measures to avoid a hard border with civil society and businesses in the region, with the aim of making the application of the protocol more transparent.
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« Reply #9956 on: October 15, 2021, 11:19:54 PM »
They might think that they are being politically clever by making agreements, hailing them, then reneging on them. Attempting to renegotiate those same agreements, seeking additional concessions from those originally agreed, then threatening to rip them up altogether. But they are just simply talking to themselves. Internationally they are embarrassing themselves and must be scraping the barrel when it comes to having any credibility left.

Frost and Johnson have been playing to their own rules and they have seen that it has had no impact on their polling figures, so they will continue onwards even if this exacerbates the economic self harm of their own country. Providing there is no self harm to those influential Tory MPs in positions of power, they will not care one jot.       

A lover scorned and all that but Cummings is going in hard on Boris being useless which I think we can all agree on, but it does beg the question who's calling the shots at the heart of Westminster??



The vested interests - as always - call the shots.  Dominic Cummings is the technical definition of a maniac, which of itself deserves some sympathy.   All the latest developments are only byproducts of regulatory alignment.  Role of ECJ is the latest herring.

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« Reply #9957 on: October 16, 2021, 03:37:17 AM »
I'd say the last thing Boris wants us an industry forum. It would propose sense rather than political coat trailing.
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« Reply #9958 on: October 16, 2021, 05:01:04 AM »
They might think that they are being politically clever by making agreements, hailing them, then reneging on them. Attempting to renegotiate those same agreements, seeking additional concessions from those originally agreed, then threatening to rip them up altogether. But they are just simply talking to themselves. Internationally they are embarrassing themselves and must be scraping the barrel when it comes to having any credibility left.

Frost and Johnson have been playing to their own rules and they have seen that it has had no impact on their polling figures, so they will continue onwards even if this exacerbates the economic self harm of their own country. Providing there is no self harm to those influential Tory MPs in positions of power, they will not care one jot.       

A lover scorned and all that but Cummings is going in hard on Boris being useless which I think we can all agree on, but it does beg the question who's calling the shots at the heart of Westminster??



The vested interests - as always - call the shots.  Dominic Cummings is the technical definition of a maniac, which of itself deserves some sympathy.   All the latest developments are only byproducts of regulatory alignment.  Role of ECJ is the latest herring.

ECJ is about power
The EU has more power. International arbitration would rebalance this somewhat.
It is not going to.fly.
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« Reply #9959 on: October 18, 2021, 09:08:42 AM »
They might think that they are being politically clever by making agreements, hailing them, then reneging on them. Attempting to renegotiate those same agreements, seeking additional concessions from those originally agreed, then threatening to rip them up altogether. But they are just simply talking to themselves. Internationally they are embarrassing themselves and must be scraping the barrel when it comes to having any credibility left.

Frost and Johnson have been playing to their own rules and they have seen that it has had no impact on their polling figures, so they will continue onwards even if this exacerbates the economic self harm of their own country. Providing there is no self harm to those influential Tory MPs in positions of power, they will not care one jot.       

A lover scorned and all that but Cummings is going in hard on Boris being useless which I think we can all agree on, but it does beg the question who's calling the shots at the heart of Westminster??



The vested interests - as always - call the shots.  Dominic Cummings is the technical definition of a maniac, which of itself deserves some sympathy.   All the latest developments are only byproducts of regulatory alignment.  Role of ECJ is the latest herring.

ECJ is about power
The EU has more power. International arbitration would rebalance this somewhat.
It is not going to.fly.

No ECJ, no single market access according to the EU ambassador to the UK.

The ECJ is more about trust and you couldn't trust Boris and Frost as far as you could throw them.

Would the Tories try to force the EU's hand in putting the sea border in the Celtic sea rather than the Irish Sea