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« Reply #8430 on: October 03, 2019, 09:04:39 AM »
Funny how DUP keep rabbiting on about consent. NI nationalists did not consent to partition, they did not consent to one party rule for 50 years, they did not consent to a statelet that buried all aspects of their identity, they did not consent to gerrymandering, they did not consent to discrimination in jobs, they did not consent to Brexit. They do not consent to the economic havoc that is ensuing. Nigel, Arelene, Sammy and the DUP have a fcukin cheek to talk about consent.
When you actually sit there and read that, its mental what we have had to live with over the years and generally accepted. yet try to restore some parity and fairness and unionism is up in arms.

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« Reply #8431 on: October 03, 2019, 09:21:23 AM »
And Northern Nationalists didnt give consent to being taken out of the EU.
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« Reply #8432 on: October 03, 2019, 09:21:40 AM »
Nigel and Co can be too smart for their own good.

This regulatory border in the Irish Sea is by default aligned with the UK Standards and can only align with the EU if there's cross "community" support for it in the Stormont Assembly every four years.
That's a defacto DUP veto and you can bet your bottom dollar that it will never be enacted.

If the EU then request that the default position is alignment with EU Regulations it then becomes a nationalist veto and wee Nige and his big grin would be kicking up stink about it even if it does tick the box of democratic accountability.

The EU and the Irish Govt. won't go for it either way let alone the cluster f*ck of the customs border thingy.


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« Reply #8433 on: October 03, 2019, 09:59:00 AM »
Funny how DUP keep rabbiting on about consent. NI nationalists did not consent to partition, they did not consent to one party rule for 50 years, they did not consent to a statelet that buried all aspects of their identity, they did not consent to gerrymandering, they did not consent to discrimination in jobs, they did not consent to Brexit. They do not consent to the economic havoc that is ensuing. Nigel, Arelene, Sammy and the DUP have a fcukin cheek to talk about consent.

+ 1.

The only positive is that they've brought forward the prospects of Irish Reunification by a generation.

Only if the British SoS actually decides to hold such a referendum. Which I wouldn't hold my breath on ever happening given the absolute shambles that politics in England has become.
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« Reply #8434 on: October 03, 2019, 10:22:30 AM »
Lads if you haven't been reading Marina Hyde's columns you're missing out she's razor sharp. . . this is a classic!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/raising-hopes-and-denying-gropes-tory-conference-leaves-no-fantasy-untouched

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Yet again, Boris Johnson swears blind he’s going to withdraw on schedule. A promise an unspecified number of single mothers have heard before

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« Reply #8435 on: October 03, 2019, 11:14:26 AM »
https://www.ft.com/content/22abc0f4-e533-11e9-b112-9624ec9edc59

"Mrs May was proposing a hard Brexit, one that would see Britain outside not only the single market and customs unions, but also beyond most of the other institutions and programmes — political and well as economic — of the EU. Mr Johnson wants to go further. He has been rewriting the political statement in which the two sides set out their aspirations for a post-Brexit relationship. The aim is to remove the few mutual commitments to a unique relationship that remained in Mrs May’s text. By the account of some Whitehall insiders, Mr Johnson envisages an ultra-hard Brexit that would leave Britain further from the EU than are many other third countries."
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« Reply #8436 on: October 03, 2019, 11:24:30 AM »
I hope the Lib Dems are annihilated at the next GE, the more I see them and hear them, the more a No Deal becomes closer, self indulgent leader who believes she can win a GE and revoke Brexit.

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« Reply #8437 on: October 03, 2019, 11:56:54 AM »
The nonsense "non-paper" leaks have done their job in making this proposal at least seem somewhat reasonable.

It won't be accepted of course, thanks to the Hillary Benn bill, there's no incentive for the EU to compromise.

If there had been no such bill and we were left with a choice between this and No Deal, then it may have had a chance (although would certainly have got some important tweaks).

From an Irish point of view, this proposal is way better than a No Deal scenario. The Stormont veto would definitely be unwanted, but in the cold light of day, would the DUP really veto this when their business supporters would be lobbying hard for them to ratify? But all moot, given the EU will likely bin this.
Exactly. The EU have no reason to worry - they'll wait around for a GE and if Boris wins by majority they can then give some consideration to proposals but they'll be in no rush until then.
From any point of view, the GFA treaty has beeen dismantled in these proposals and one of the most extreme nutcase political entities on the Island is to be handed the power of veto over some of  the most important aspects of that GFA treaty. And some think the DUP would act in good faith!!

I say whatever is agreed now on a temporary basis,  It is an unacceptable truth that the DUP should have any veto power over it in 4 years time when it comes up for review.

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« Reply #8438 on: October 03, 2019, 11:58:29 AM »
Lads if you haven't been reading Marina Hyde's columns you're missing out she's razor sharp. . . this is a classic!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/raising-hopes-and-denying-gropes-tory-conference-leaves-no-fantasy-untouched

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Yet again, Boris Johnson swears blind he’s going to withdraw on schedule. A promise an unspecified number of single mothers have heard before

Shit Show at the f**k Factory - genius, reminded me of Hunter S. Thompson on a bad day.  There are about 30 genuine laugh-out-loud bits in that article, most of which are an incredibly sad  indictment of society. 
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« Reply #8439 on: October 03, 2019, 12:32:50 PM »
Tories and DUP are totally corrupt financially and morally. Problem is they are supported by so many Neanderthals who cannot think for themselves. There is no way for us to escape the grip they have on our lives so we just have to try and make the best of it despite them holding us back. We do really well to keep going in such a fecked up place.

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« Reply #8440 on: October 03, 2019, 12:42:03 PM »
Lads if you haven't been reading Marina Hyde's columns you're missing out she's razor sharp. . . this is a classic!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/raising-hopes-and-denying-gropes-tory-conference-leaves-no-fantasy-untouched

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Yet again, Boris Johnson swears blind he’s going to withdraw on schedule. A promise an unspecified number of single mothers have heard before

Shit Show at the f**k Factory - genius, reminded me of Hunter S. Thompson on a bad day.  There are about 30 genuine laugh-out-loud bits in that article, most of which are an incredibly sad  indictment of society.

Like ourselves a lot of the UK public laughed at the US for electing a gobshíte like Trump and lo and behold they ended up getting their own Etonian educated version of him in power and like the Republican party in the US rather than admit to their failings they'll double down in support of him.

better to be grabbed by the pussy than have a pussy as PM indeed.

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« Reply #8441 on: October 03, 2019, 02:15:46 PM »
Not one of the 10 DUP MP's turned up during a House of Commons debate into Brexit and the new proposed new arrangement for the north. Make of that what you want but it is no coincidence.

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« Reply #8442 on: October 03, 2019, 03:32:46 PM »
Not one of the 10 DUP MP's turned up during a House of Commons debate into Brexit and the new proposed new arrangement for the north. Make of that what you want but it is no coincidence.

They were all watching the Ruggers.

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« Reply #8443 on: October 03, 2019, 04:12:01 PM »
https://www.ft.com/content/20c33a0c-e564-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

"The trade deal (the one that could last a long time): Even if the two sides can bridge their backstop gaps, the UK has made clear it won’t commit to maintaining a “level-playing field” on social, environmental and labour standards as promised by Theresa May. If Mr Johnson wants to create a low-regulatory “Singapore-on-Thames”, EU negotiators have warned they will drastically reduce the level of ambition for a trade deal the Brits want concluded in record under 14 months. "
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« Reply #8444 on: October 03, 2019, 05:04:12 PM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/03/brexit-latest-news-brexit-news-latest-deal-boris-johnson-northern/

Leo Varadkar claims that British people want to scrap Brexit
The Irish Prime Minister states that most British people want to remain in the EU.
"All the polls since Prime Minister Johnson became Prime Minister suggest that's what the British people actually want, but their political system isn't able to give them that choice," he said."

Fair play a Thaoiseach !
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