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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #6960 on: March 15, 2019, 11:08:49 PM »
As patriotic and holy as they claim to be they are basically self serving and money driven so they shouldnít have been that hard to figure out.

They must have knew it but it was just finding the right time to show it. DUP are too stupid to realise they are a means to an end for the Tories, not the other way round. They have done a deal with the devil and it is only a matter of time before Tories chew them up and spit them out - just look at the Lib Dems, it will be glorious. However the people who vote for them will continue to follow blindly.

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« Reply #6961 on: March 16, 2019, 02:07:06 AM »
Remember, they still have to sell it to the orange order and UDA, like everything else they 'agree'. If this is hinged on stormont, then shinners must sink that farce once and for all

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« Reply #6962 on: March 16, 2019, 01:27:26 PM »
I don't think no Deal can happen. And May's deal is also crap

Crap it may be but must have a 50/50 chance right now. By various means she is chipping away at the no dealers within DUP and ERG. If she can get enough Labour rebels to cover any Erg she canít convert she is away and clear.

DUP will get enough to at least pretend to save face

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« Reply #6963 on: March 16, 2019, 01:32:52 PM »
I don't think no Deal can happen. And May's deal is also crap

Her gambit is that it will be considered the least crap of the 3 options. But what happens if all 3 options get rejected - will UK not default back to No Deal?
I think the reason why they haven't decided yet is because Brexit is so awful even if a majority voted for it
No deal doesn't have the numbers.
It is down to Remain vs her deal I think

Looks like last go a Mays deal on Tuesday. If defeated we will go to the votes on all on the options to chip away at all the options that havenít a chance and their proponents would then roll in behind their next option. If we get to that it could end up at Labourís proposal vs Remain and that could scare the Tories into supporting their party leader

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« Reply #6964 on: March 16, 2019, 01:53:20 PM »
No Deal simply cannot be allowed to happen. We are so fucked if that's allowed to happen. Like riots on the streets fucked.

No deal will not happen.
No Brexit wonít happen.

No deal is supposed to be something to threaten the EU with but in reality like No Brexit itís just something that is threatened inside UK in the battle for what type of Brexit we get

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« Reply #6965 on: March 16, 2019, 02:02:55 PM »
ERG have rejected the latest fudge.
they want a No deal

Some do, some donít. Mayís tactic is to vote on this thing as often as it takes and slowly but surely to fracture ERG and to move DUP as a block. Itís not the EU thatís gonna blink. Itís the ERG

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« Reply #6966 on: March 16, 2019, 02:03:41 PM »
No Deal simply cannot be allowed to happen. We are so fucked if that's allowed to happen. Like riots on the streets fucked.

No deal will not happen.
No Brexit wonít happen.

No deal is supposed to be something to threaten the EU with but in reality like No Brexit itís just something that is threatened inside UK in the battle for what type of Brexit we get

What brexiteers do not understand is they were never going to get everything their way without putting the financial stability of the country at risk.

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« Reply #6967 on: March 16, 2019, 02:08:06 PM »
DUP say they can't support it. Also heard the 1922 committee are saying there needs to be an immediate General election if May doesn't succeed in getting her deal through tonight (which she won't).

May isn't leading them into another GE so who gets it?? Boris!!?? Jesus wept!

They'll have to extend article 50 to allow for a GE surely?

Boris wants it but too many donít trust him. Also there is a history there that the press would rip apart

Gove wants it but too many likely front benchers distrust him. They would all serve Liddington but he lacks the charisma to win a GE

Hunt would be the man they back


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« Reply #6968 on: March 16, 2019, 02:13:01 PM »
If a General Election is called it's Corbyn + 2nd Referendum v. New Tory leader and possible No Deal Brexit. My personal hope is that the Tories once again overestimate the strength of their hand, blame May and go for the election. I could see many who don't like Corbyn voting for Labour in order to get a second referendum....mitigating his "polarising" nature. Potentially interesting times ahead.

More likely is that the Tories realise this, f**k over the DUP and accept the deal.

Still unlikely to have the numbers though. Most likely the new Independent Group will also vote the deal down and Labour rebels would be mortally afraid of the whip this time and vote on party lines.

Lynchboy, forget about reunification, Bertie Ahern said a while back it would bankrupt us trying to support them.


Reunification is going to happen. It's only a matter of when. Brexit is speeding it up.

What is you analysis of NI being inside the Eu and itís overwhelmingly largest market being outside the EU?

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« Reply #6969 on: March 16, 2019, 02:19:32 PM »
DUP say they can't support it. Also heard the 1922 committee are saying there needs to be an immediate General election if May doesn't succeed in getting her deal through tonight (which she won't).

May isn't leading them into another GE so who gets it?? Boris!!?? Jesus wept!

They'll have to extend article 50 to allow for a GE surely?

Boris wants it but too many donít trust him. Also there is a history there that the press would rip apart

Gove wants it but too many likely front benchers distrust him. They would all serve Liddington but he lacks the charisma to win a GE

Hunt would be the man they back

Jesus that is some set of choices. Least worst springs to mind but most certainly not good.

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« Reply #6970 on: March 16, 2019, 02:21:04 PM »


Any reunification would be subsidised by British gov and EU for a good number of years.

We are currently going through the pain associated with letting a load of little englanders away with spouting a load of crap about life after Brexit without forcing them to evidence before the vote.

We need to make sure little irelanders dont try to get away with the same trick in any future UI referenda.

The deal with the generous benefactors would have to be copper fastened before the vote

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« Reply #6971 on: March 16, 2019, 02:25:37 PM »
DUP say they can't support it. Also heard the 1922 committee are saying there needs to be an immediate General election if May doesn't succeed in getting her deal through tonight (which she won't).

May isn't leading them into another GE so who gets it?? Boris!!?? Jesus wept!

They'll have to extend article 50 to allow for a GE surely?

Boris wants it but too many donít trust him. Also there is a history there that the press would rip apart

Gove wants it but too many likely front benchers distrust him. They would all serve Liddington but he lacks the charisma to win a GE

Hunt would be the man they back

He might get some support within but universally he is hated.

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« Reply #6972 on: March 16, 2019, 02:34:13 PM »

I don't think Grieve or Ken Clarke will vote for the deal

Why do you think Clarke wonít vote for it?

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« Reply #6973 on: March 16, 2019, 02:35:11 PM »
I have as much dislike for Corbyn as I do May.

Why?

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« Reply #6974 on: March 16, 2019, 02:38:53 PM »
Lemme get this straight. Labour's leadership instructed the party to abstain on whether to run a second referendum? What's Corbyn playing at?

The official peopleís vote campaign wanted all parties to abstain if the vote wasnít pulled. Labour were the only opposition leadership to get that memo.

Toured had the votes to win. Only way to get the vote through is to break the story payroll on the issue and that wasnít going to happen. And still the SNP etc ploughed on. Surely the questions need to be asked of them??