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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #4860 on: November 10, 2018, 10:29:15 AM »
Dye think? By my logic the committee will look at QE again and maintaining low interest rates to offset the economic hit.
Stating the obvious but the reason an independent committee commenced setting the rate was to avoid govt politising it in election year. Free from political /govt interference. Some analysts reckon UK GDP will get an 8 per cent hit. I can't see how the mood in the committee will be to increase rates which dampen investment and spending

Ever more reason to wait another 6-8 months I think

It might be necessary to try and shore up the huge drop that sterling will take.

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« Reply #4861 on: November 10, 2018, 11:02:19 AM »
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/09/new-blow-to-may-as-eu-leaders-demand-scrutiny-of-brexit-deal

I still think the no deal scenario is a serious possibility. Looks now like Barnier's negotiating team have to take any potential deal back to the EU27 for comment and approval. Could there be a few troublemakers in there with an agenda to stick the boot into the Brits? Surely some of them will have concerns...

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« Reply #4862 on: November 10, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »
The truth is that nobody can predict what the outcome will be, it's probably best to ignore all of the background noise. I don't see any way that the DUP can come out of this looking good, the best result for them would be a no deal. The rational electorate will turn on them but their base vote will bizzarely consider it a success. That will be enough for them to claim succcess no matter the economic price. The north would become an economic wasteground but if it helps drive out nationalists and 'saves their precious union' they would be happy with that.

 Any other deal logically speaking has to create a divide between mainland UK and the 6 counties and that would be the deal on which their own electorate would turn on them. I see this as being more likely as there are enough people in Westminster who would not want to committ economic suicide by crashing out without a deal. Despite all of the commentary and public utterances saying that 'no deal is better than a bad deal' I don't see any way that would be acceptable to UK public.   

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« Reply #4863 on: November 11, 2018, 06:44:34 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/10/theresa-mays-brexit-plan-set-blocked-tory-backbenchers/

Theresa May’s Brexit plan will be blocked by MPs even if she is able to “bounce” the Cabinet into signing it off, the Prime Minister has been warned.
Senior members of the Eurosceptic grouping of Tory backbenchers and the Democratic Unionist Party figures are  publicly uniting to insist they will vote against Mrs May’s proposals unless she backs down.
Their intervention came as senior government figures warned that the deal would still fall in Parliament even if it were forced through a reluctant Cabinet this week. A defeat for Mrs May would be likely to spark a leadership challenge.
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« Reply #4864 on: November 11, 2018, 08:20:36 AM »
Would there not be enough Labour MPs to see it through if a rump of the Tories don't vote with her?
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« Reply #4865 on: November 11, 2018, 10:13:30 AM »
The options for Labour are to either support the PM’s deal purely to avoid a no deal scenario, or vote against her and get a hardline Brexiteer PM as her replacement.  Labour are all over the place so I think that the no deal scenario is increasing in likelihood  :-\

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« Reply #4866 on: November 12, 2018, 09:29:45 AM »
I think there are 3 camps in the Tory party -
-No deal is ESG plus DUP
-Deal however flawed (Most of cabinet )
- Another referendum ( J Johnson and others)

God knows who wins

Meanwhile

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/12/brexit-plan-complete-shambles-uk-boss-of-thyssenkrupp-says

The whole thing is very sad.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #4867 on: November 12, 2018, 10:32:42 AM »

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #4868 on: November 12, 2018, 10:40:14 AM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
Do they even have a majority?
And inflicting economic losses on voters is never advisable.
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #4869 on: November 12, 2018, 11:28:15 AM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
That is one of the most delusional articles I have read in quite some time. Impressively way off the mark.

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« Reply #4870 on: November 12, 2018, 11:57:35 AM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
That is one of the most delusional articles I have read in quite some time. Impressively way off the mark.
The big difference between Unionists and nationalists is that Nationalists will always know who they are. Boris Johnson recently said “f**k business” but he could as easily have said “f**k Northern Ireland” .Loyalty means nothing right now.
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #4871 on: November 12, 2018, 12:18:14 PM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
That is one of the most delusional articles I have read in quite some time. Impressively way off the mark.

It's everybody elses fault but there's. Why change the habit of a lifetime for Unionists like McNarry.

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« Reply #4872 on: November 12, 2018, 12:38:17 PM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
That is one of the most delusional articles I have read in quite some time. Impressively way off the mark.
For the first time in 400 years being British is a disadvantage. The DUP can’t see that.
It's everybody elses fault but there's. Why change the habit of a lifetime for Unionists like McNarry.
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« Reply #4873 on: November 12, 2018, 12:44:54 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1112/1009881-eec-documents/

Documents from 57-61 years ago refer to "Whitehall frustration with unionists sacrificing economic interests over political apprehensions."

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« Reply #4874 on: November 12, 2018, 01:25:35 PM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
Do they even have a majority?
And inflicting economic losses on voters is never advisable.

No, they dont. But unionism recently has reverted to 1960. I'm enjoying their downfall.