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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #720 on: June 25, 2016, 03:12:36 AM »
At least the French can now sort out their Calais problem now open the gates and help them onto the lorries destination the Un-united Kingdom......

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« Reply #721 on: June 25, 2016, 08:38:07 AM »
Switzerland do alright. As does Norway, Israel, US, China etc.

You are deluded if you think the UK won't be able to trade with EU members. They're the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world. They'll work it out!

Immigration is a factor too. Infrastructures can't cope with massive influxes of people; hospitals, doctors, schools etc. Another good reason to get out. Should've happened 10 years ago.

The UK has had billions wiped off it's stock market today that it will never see again.

It will lose all the funding that it got from the EU.

Beggars belief the sheer ignorance out there. When it hits the pocket they'll realise what a stupid decision it was
Ordinary people don't understand how finance works

It was a vote for the uneducated. Unfortunately they were duped by the idiots and fell for it. Huge tranches of the poorest regions in England voted to leave without realising that they will be ever poorer as a result.

The old and the uneducated are to blame

No intelligent individual would vote to leave

That is exactly my point about selective voting!

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« Reply #722 on: June 25, 2016, 08:55:40 AM »
I went out for a run this morning. Was enjoying the fresh air, the countryside and my second captains podcast when it was taken over by Brexit talk with a couple of the English guests they had on. All doom and gloom. No place for it on a sports podcast. People worry way too much about money. No one will starve over this.

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« Reply #723 on: June 25, 2016, 09:12:02 AM »
To be honest I think Boris and his fellow Tory Brexiteers are now shiting themselves. Talk of not rushing into invoking Article 59, period of reflection, wanting to continue to have great relations with European neighbours etc etc. EU on the other hand telling them to get out to fcuk as quick as you can. Scots now see the opportunity to seize the moment and go again for independence on the grounds that one of the biggest factors that arose last time - fear of the unknown - is not now relevant as staying in the Brexit UK is now a bigger leap in the dark than leaving it. I think Boris will try to win further concessions and go for another referendum on the basis of his better deal and preserving the Union

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« Reply #724 on: June 25, 2016, 09:19:27 AM »
I think Nigel's first sentence sums it up perfectly.
A real Oh Shit!!!! moment ;D
And Cameron dumps it all on them by saying "I'm off chaps, sort things out yourselves"
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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« Reply #725 on: June 25, 2016, 09:22:50 AM »
Interesting tweet from Ch4 news correspondent

@alextomo Extraordinary watching sections of London media with no language, ability or even will to speak to the millions of non-racists who voted out
Its as Benny said earlier, the result is due to 2 generations of people fuck3d over by successive governments. Racism is a very small part of it, resentment of the status quo and a chance to put 2 fingers up to the establishment are the real reasons.
If you have something you voted in.
If you had nothing you voted out.
Too many people have nothing, not even hope.

If that was the case then how did the Tories get in ?? People voted out cause they think the grass will be greener...

 This should sort out unemployment as the dole merchants will be happy to work on the farms, abattoirs, hotels, bars and all those other jobs that hard working immigrants have been doing for past 20 odd years

Privatisation of the NHS is around the corner
there is no financial incentive to run the NHS . Demand is fucked so there aren't going to be any payrises to cover the escalating costs of cover. I wouldn't go near the NHS with a bargepole if I was running a pension fund or a hedge fund.

Money got involved in nursing homes and lost a fortune
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« Reply #726 on: June 25, 2016, 09:24:46 AM »
Here it is... if you voted leave you are stupid and probably a racist although these aren't mutually exclusive.

Boris will be our next Prime Minister, Scotland will leave, UK will be a laughing stock on the world stage and once all the big multinationals up sticks and leave you will be begging to get back into the EU y'know if you ever manage to get out of that recession.

The time to make a political statement was the general election not an extremely important referendum that you were too f**king stupid to comprehend which basically boiled down to immigrants bad we good!

In the medium term Ireland are going to gain a lot when these companies leave London and fair play to them. The downside is an Irish company that exports stock to the UK just saw the value of their stock drop by 7% and god knows how much more when the markets realise that BOE statement was bullshit and there really isn't anything they can practically do!

We've been shafted by stupid people who don't know the correct way to show their frustration so they listen to Garage and Boris.... seriously lads look at yourselves!!

I think it is a joke that went too far
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit
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« Reply #727 on: June 25, 2016, 09:29:14 AM »
I went out for a run this morning. Was enjoying the fresh air, the countryside and my second captains podcast when it was taken over by Brexit talk with a couple of the English guests they had on. All doom and gloom. No place for it on a sports podcast. People worry way too much about money. No one will starve over this.
I dunno asal.
An awful lot of people in the UK already depend on food banks. This is serious shit.
People are dying earlier than they used to. Mental illness incidence is very high.

Every 1% rise in unemployment generates something like 300 extra cancers and 500 suicides in the US
Economic chaos is literally fatal for some people at the poorer end of the income spectrum 
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« Reply #728 on: June 25, 2016, 09:36:10 AM »
I think there will be implications for the English premiership as well with the UK out of the single market
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« Reply #729 on: June 25, 2016, 09:40:05 AM »
Yep it's clear Gove and Johnson didn't expect this and they certainly didn't expect Cameron to jump. They banked in Cameron triggering Article 50 and leading the negotiations to leave the EU. Yesterday Gove looked like he'd just been told his entire family were dead. Farage knows he doesn't have to sort anything out and he can just bluff his way in the background.

The irony is that Cameron and Corbyn are Eurosceptics and deep down Boris is a Europhile.  We're going to have the unelected elite in London negotiating with the unelected elite in Brussels.

As for the North, they'll probably have to do away with the Barnett formula, the block grant NI gets is a piece of EU legislation, corporation tax?? The only certainty at the moment is that there is no plan.  I could foresee Boris stringing out the negotiations as long as poss, coming back with a Brexit-lite and either having another referendum in 3 or 4 years time or even just putting it through parliament. How long do you reckon it will take the English working class to work out they've been sold a pup?
Huge dice were rolled. The aim of the vote was to reunite the Tories but it looks like they join the GOP as another party broken by neoliberalism in its end stage. It is the political equivalent of a tsunami.


J. K. Galbraith:“The conventional wisdom” gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

I think the biggest thing for me is the poverty of so many parts of England that the vote exposed.
This is going to be politically treacherous in the years ahead

Of those who are forced to choose, some will chose to fight
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« Reply #730 on: June 25, 2016, 09:54:00 AM »
Anyone heard from George Osborne in the past 2 days?

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« Reply #731 on: June 25, 2016, 10:03:32 AM »
I think there will be implications for the English premiership as well with the UK out of the single market

Like that is important to anyone.

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« Reply #732 on: June 25, 2016, 10:10:47 AM »
I think there will be implications for the English premiership as well with the UK out of the single market

There will be less foreign players then? That's a good thing. More local players might get a chance then. The PL has become saturated with average players from all over the world. Even my own team has become so unrecognisable, I have very little incentive to follow them. Unpronounceable names that drift in and out for a season, and leave no discernible memories for fans.

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« Reply #734 on: June 25, 2016, 11:05:40 AM »
I think there will be implications for the English premiership as well with the UK out of the single market

There will be less foreign players then? That's a good thing. More local players might get a chance then. The PL has become saturated with average players from all over the world. Even my own team has become so unrecognisable, I have very little incentive to follow them. Unpronounceable names that drift in and out for a season, and leave no discernible memories for fans.
Cantona, Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo, Schmeical, Zola, Ginola, Fabregas, etc etc