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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #345 on: June 23, 2016, 11:49:00 AM »

So those that fled to America or anywhere for economic/ famine etc, what about those?
So when other countries/ peoples are experiencing the same kind of human disasters, we say no its ok we are sorted now and we comfortable you sort your own mess out?

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Bit off topic here as the issue is eu immigration. I only used the oz example as that of a country with control of their own policy.
Are you saying that immigration from economically poor, war torn or famine ravaged areas ect.. shouldn't be controlled?

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« Reply #346 on: June 23, 2016, 11:49:20 AM »
Support  for Farage and the DUP is not in the interests of any part of Ireland.
This is too important  to be associated with fad trivialities like water charges.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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« Reply #347 on: June 23, 2016, 11:53:57 AM »
Wait till the Spanish send all them Brits back home as illegals.
And no matter what the Brits do they have to take in people seeking asylum or will they leave the UN too " because it's more foreigners telling them what to do"
If the Brits leave the EU what happens with the 800,000 Irish( EU)  citizens in the 6 Cos?

They can't sent the Brits home anymore than the Brits can send the Polish home.

Vienna Convention means they have the right to stay.

It can stop more Brits going to Spain, and more Eastern Europeans coming to the UK, but won't change the residency rights of the ones already moved.

As for the 6 counties - our right to dual nationality shouldn't be affected by the UK leaving the EU, we are still entitled to an Irish Passport and Irish (therefore EU) citizenship.

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« Reply #348 on: June 23, 2016, 11:55:47 AM »
I do not know how any lay person can be well enough informed to take the risk, and that is what it is, to vote to leave the EU. The carefully chosen spin you hear from Brexit campaigners should certainly not be enough to shape public views. The whole thing is built on if, buts, maybes and more than anything, assumptions. They assume they will be better of, they assume they will have more control. Serious risk.

And not knowing what the EU has planned down the line is a major assumption on voting remain also.

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« Reply #349 on: June 23, 2016, 11:57:25 AM »
Muppet,
Im irish, but I can vote on this
As regards immigration 150,000 eu citizens settled in uk last year alone so wouldnt say leaving the eu would have no impact  ;D
As regards corp tax Britain wont vote in Irelands interest, but I will
I have met politicians and no idea what your on about with mayo

Any Irish person using immigration as an excuse, needs to take a serious look at themselves.

Yeah because not having enough housing, school places, doctors etc to deal with what is here, isn't a real issue, unless you are implying they are all racist?

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« Reply #350 on: June 23, 2016, 12:00:13 PM »
HL Mencken. For every problem, there is a solution that is neat, plausible and wrong. 



The big issue that overshadows the Brexit vote and the Trump phenomenon is the failed economic system.
It is this :
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/15/40-years-of-economic-policy-in-one-chart/

The EU could be reformed to be a union that works for ordinary people again.
But people have to fight for that to happen.

No matter how well-written or delivered, a speech cannot divert whole societies from a well-established course of action. Policies in motion tend to remain in motion; to change the trajectory of a deeply-entrenched set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal momentum.
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« Reply #351 on: June 23, 2016, 12:00:31 PM »
Support  for Farage and the DUP is not in the interests of any part of Ireland.
This is too important  to be associated with fad trivialities like water charges.

The decision is too important to be made on the basis of what political parties support it.

Its not about trivialities, its about the bigger picture, and the fact that the EU has the ability to override a countries right to rule itself.

The water charges is just one example whereby the EU has forced its opinion on Ireland or the UK - there are a load more.

We vote for a government, they make a decision, that's democracy. The EU overrides that decision - that's undemocratic.

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« Reply #352 on: June 23, 2016, 12:02:48 PM »
Everyone one who votes remain should remember how good that made them feel when they get their European tax code.

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« Reply #353 on: June 23, 2016, 12:08:43 PM »
We vote  for a government,  which has made agreements with others in a club called the EU. We are the EU,  it isn't someone else.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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« Reply #354 on: June 23, 2016, 12:11:13 PM »
Set aside the economic arguments, which in my view can be twisted either way. If you want border controls when you go any where in the EU vote Brexit, if you want the NHS collapsing because we can't train enough local staff vote Brexit. If you want red tape and Custom houses from Lifford to Newry vote Brexit.

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« Reply #355 on: June 23, 2016, 12:17:11 PM »
What's a European tax code?
When was it introduced?
The red herrings are fairly flying from no wides and Lazer ::)
And they even got every loonyleftie's favourite subject in " water charges".
The English/Scots/ Welsh will still be paying for water if they leave the EU and it won't be long before the 6 Cos will be taken off life support by the London Govt.
Meanwhile farmers in the 6 Cos will be fcukd without the EU cheque while cheap South American beef will close them down altogether.
And the EU wont have much time for Irish citizens living outside the EU.
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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« Reply #356 on: June 23, 2016, 12:24:14 PM »
Set aside the economic arguments, which in my view can be twisted either way. If you want border controls when you go any where in the EU vote Brexit, if you want the NHS collapsing because we can't train enough local staff vote Brexit. If you want red tape and Custom houses from Lifford to Newry vote Brexit.

Immigration to the NHS will not stop because of a Brexit - we have plenty of Asians training to be medical staff here and Asia isn't in the EU.

As for customs, ever walked through Dublin or Belfast airport coming off a non EU flight? How often do you get stopped? Its mainly a matter of spot checks and putting the emphasis on you declare any goods which may be subject to tariffs or import taxes.


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« Reply #357 on: June 23, 2016, 01:02:13 PM »
Set aside the economic arguments, which in my view can be twisted either way. If you want border controls when you go any where in the EU vote Brexit, if you want the NHS collapsing because we can't train enough local staff vote Brexit. If you want red tape and Custom houses from Lifford to Newry vote Brexit.

Immigration to the NHS will not stop because of a Brexit - we have plenty of Asians training to be medical staff here and Asia isn't in the EU.

As for customs, ever walked through Dublin or Belfast airport coming off a non EU flight? How often do you get stopped? Its mainly a matter of spot checks and putting the emphasis on you declare any goods which may be subject to tariffs or import taxes.

You have to pass through non-EU passport control. Even though the line is often shorter, the scrutiny is far, far higher. You often see families left sitting for hours upstream of passport control in Dublin Airport, for example. Many people are deported straight back to where they came from on the basis of passport control.  You'll know all about it if the vote is Leave.

Customs is something completely different entirely.
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« Reply #358 on: June 23, 2016, 01:06:18 PM »
Muppet,
Im irish, but I can vote on this
As regards immigration 150,000 eu citizens settled in uk last year alone so wouldnt say leaving the eu would have no impact  ;D
As regards corp tax Britain wont vote in Irelands interest, but I will
I have met politicians and no idea what your on about with mayo

Any Irish person using immigration as an excuse, needs to take a serious look at themselves.

Yeah because not having enough housing, school places, doctors etc to deal with what is here, isn't a real issue, unless you are implying they are all racist?

The pressure on the Health Service, education and housing etc is not the fault of immigrants...it's the fault of people who consistently vote for governments that cut support to the NHS, refuse to invest in building enough affordable homes, and cut budgets to education authorities..i.e the electorate (the vast majority of whom aren't immigrants)

Yeah nothing to do with immigration!  http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/net-migration-pushes-uk-population-to-over-65-million-a3279016.html

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« Reply #359 on: June 23, 2016, 01:08:42 PM »
What's a European tax code?
When was it introduced?

The red herrings are fairly flying from no wides and Lazer ::)
And they even got every loonyleftie's favourite subject in " water charges".
The English/Scots/ Welsh will still be paying for water if they leave the EU and it won't be long before the 6 Cos will be taken off life support by the London Govt.
Meanwhile farmers in the 6 Cos will be fcukd without the EU cheque while cheap South American beef will close them down altogether.
And the EU wont have much time for Irish citizens living outside the EU.

You will get it in the next few years when Turkey joins as a pat on the back for keeping the Syrian refugees!