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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #5820 on: January 11, 2019, 03:24:53 PM »
The DUP really fecked up with this from the start. They could now be in a position where they could be proclaiming to have maintained the union with GB and also help deliver what would be a fantastic economic opportunity for NI (Which in itself would have reinforced people's acceptance of the status quo). They could have played down the improved links with the South as improved links with the EU market to keep their own supports on side and be portraying this as a success and trying to take the credit for it. Instead they are slowing realising they have backed the wrong horse and can't be seen to lose face to back down despite some of their own supporters turning on them.

Not sure about the fact they realise they've backed the wrong horse as their public utterings haven't changed much since the get go.
If they have realised they have backed the wrong horse then they need a face saving way out and with the EU still not for changing any legal text on the backstop it's hard to see them ceding ground on Tuesday.

No Tony Blair doublespeak available to save the day for them.

I honestly can't see how the wouldn't realise the mess they've put themselves in. But I think because they were that ferociously in favour of Brexit initially they can't change direction now without admitting they completed misread the circumstances and repercussions and would have to publicly admit they were wrong (When do the DUP ever do this, scratch that, when do politicians ever do that!!). So they have to keep ploughing ahead in the faint hope that there will be some magically deal that they can get behind and when that doesn't happen then either the Tories dump them and fire on with the deal (Or at least a similar one) or if there's no deal they lose support from some of their more realistic supporters when the sh!te hits the fan.
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« Reply #5821 on: January 11, 2019, 03:31:21 PM »
Some politicians resign but these ones never will. What Paisley was up to would never have stood anywhere else and now he's talking about May making him a cup of tea in a speel which was clearly incredibly arrogant never mind the blatant sexism.The arrogance of these people know no bounds. With things like RHI they'll be alright though but once again they will shaft most of the people who vote for them and they will continue to vote for them.

I am unsure if they understand the implications yet. This is the biggest thing which could wreck their precious union and even if a quarter of the doomsday scenarios predicted come true they are bound to lose some voter base. They are bound to surely...


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« Reply #5822 on: January 11, 2019, 03:55:57 PM »
Some politicians resign but these ones never will. What Paisley was up to would never have stood anywhere else and now he's talking about May making him a cup of tea in a speel which was clearly incredibly arrogant never mind the blatant sexism.The arrogance of these people know no bounds. With things like RHI they'll be alright though but once again they will shaft most of the people who vote for them and they will continue to vote for them.

I am unsure if they understand the implications yet. This is the biggest thing which could wreck their precious union and even if a quarter of the doomsday scenarios predicted come true they are bound to lose some voter base. They are bound to surely...

Never underestimate the voting unionists electorate to cut of their nose off to spite their face. Come election time the fear of a nationalist majority will negate any hard feelings over RHI, standing by MPs with gift holidays and leading their precious union into a no deal Brexit. You have to remember that most of them (DUP) have parachutes and their loyal voters are a resource that will be expended when the time comes, left to wallow in the wreckage along with us nationalist of course.

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« Reply #5823 on: January 11, 2019, 04:19:44 PM »
They're a bit tory like in who they have parachutes for though but yeah I would say you're pretty much right anyway.

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« Reply #5824 on: January 12, 2019, 10:54:24 AM »
Some politicians resign but these ones never will. What Paisley was up to would never have stood anywhere else and now he's talking about May making him a cup of tea in a speel which was clearly incredibly arrogant never mind the blatant sexism.The arrogance of these people know no bounds. With things like RHI they'll be alright though but once again they will shaft most of the people who vote for them and they will continue to vote for them.

I am unsure if they understand the implications yet. This is the biggest thing which could wreck their precious union and even if a quarter of the doomsday scenarios predicted come true they are bound to lose some voter base. They are bound to surely...

Never underestimate the voting unionists electorate to cut of their nose off to spite their face. Come election time the fear of a nationalist majority will negate any hard feelings over RHI, standing by MPs with gift holidays and leading their precious union into a no deal Brexit. You have to remember that most of them (DUP) have parachutes and their loyal voters are a resource that will be expended when the time comes, left to wallow in the wreckage along with us nationalist of course.

The inverse of this is true of the Nationalist electorate. It's not a one way street. SF are culpable as well.

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« Reply #5825 on: January 12, 2019, 11:55:38 AM »
Are Sinn Fein as bad as the DUP?

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« Reply #5826 on: January 12, 2019, 12:45:51 PM »
Some politicians resign but these ones never will. What Paisley was up to would never have stood anywhere else and now he's talking about May making him a cup of tea in a speel which was clearly incredibly arrogant never mind the blatant sexism.The arrogance of these people know no bounds. With things like RHI they'll be alright though but once again they will shaft most of the people who vote for them and they will continue to vote for them.

I am unsure if they understand the implications yet. This is the biggest thing which could wreck their precious union and even if a quarter of the doomsday scenarios predicted come true they are bound to lose some voter base. They are bound to surely...

Never underestimate the voting unionists electorate to cut of their nose off to spite their face. Come election time the fear of a nationalist majority will negate any hard feelings over RHI, standing by MPs with gift holidays and leading their precious union into a no deal Brexit. You have to remember that most of them (DUP) have parachutes and their loyal voters are a resource that will be expended when the time comes, left to wallow in the wreckage along with us nationalist of course.

The inverse of this is true of the Nationalist electorate. It's not a one way street. SF are culpable as well.

Iíd agree. The DUP would to do anything for the north to remain in the uk, regardless of the damage to jobs, economy etc, SF are equally mad as they would do anything to get a United Ireland regardless of the same damage as that might bring.

They are both deluded arseholes.

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« Reply #5827 on: January 12, 2019, 01:29:31 PM »
Sorry guys I didnít realize that SF was opposed to the back stop deal as well therefore flying in the face of the NI business community, farmers union and the overall majority. Are SF perfect no and I would have issues with the way they have played a part in the current impasse of the running of this place, but comparing them to the DUP is lazy criticism.
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« Reply #5828 on: January 12, 2019, 01:53:32 PM »
The DUP are now undermining the union and SF are a major obstacle to a United Ireland. However, while SF have proven to be slow learners they do progress over time, the DUP seems unable to break away from the past.
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« Reply #5829 on: January 12, 2019, 03:07:25 PM »
Sorry guys I didnít realize that SF was opposed to the back stop deal as well therefore flying in the face of the NI business community, farmers union and the overall majority. Are SF perfect no and I would have issues with the way they have played a part in the current impasse of the running of this place, but comparing them to the DUP is lazy criticism.

Youíre talking about one issue. Thereís plenty of examples of SF going against the will of the people.
But my general point was with regards to the nationalist electorate who vote for SF simply because itís about sticking 2 fingers up at the DUP and not for any of their policies. Both sides of the tribe are to blame. If you vote SF youíre part of the problem.

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« Reply #5830 on: January 12, 2019, 05:28:24 PM »
The biggest problem with SF is that they would not be able to get out of their own way in a border poll. They would not attract 1 unionist to the UI side but would entrench the majority to maintain the union just like DUP will not attract one nationalist to vote for the Union. Which is why I hope that if there is a border poll, those leading the UI side will not be hardline nationalists but people more reflective of what living like in South is today and if that is some south side posh Dubliner  who squeezes his vowels, or some rich tech nerds  who work for Google, some self satisfied arty farty from Galway and so on. The likes of Mary Lou on the other hand are already heightening tensions when all they need to do is let Brexit happen, let people in North desire to be back in Europe, give them better economic prospects and keep tribal  politics out of it. However politicians will always seek the limelight, the need to be heard and take the credit is simply too hard to resist.

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« Reply #5831 on: January 12, 2019, 08:53:19 PM »
The biggest problem with SF is that they would not be able to get out of their own way in a border poll. They would not attract 1 unionist to the UI side but would entrench the majority to maintain the union just like DUP will not attract one nationalist to vote for the Union. Which is why I hope that if there is a border poll, those leading the UI side will not be hardline nationalists but people more reflective of what living like in South is today and if that is some south side posh Dubliner  who squeezes his vowels, or some rich tech nerds  who work for Google, some self satisfied arty farty from Galway and so on. The likes of Mary Lou on the other hand are already heightening tensions when all they need to do is let Brexit happen, let people in North desire to be back in Europe, give them better economic prospects and keep tribal  politics out of it. However politicians will always seek the limelight, the need to be heard and take the credit is simply too hard to resist.

Had to laugh at that... throw in Conor McGregor wannabes, the odd Eastern European and a few refugees and you have the full spectrum of demographics in the South, those that aren't just think they are

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« Reply #5832 on: January 12, 2019, 09:17:56 PM »
I'd say your knowledge of "The South" is fairly limited.
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« Reply #5833 on: January 12, 2019, 09:55:22 PM »
The biggest problem with SF is that they would not be able to get out of their own way in a border poll.

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« Reply #5834 on: January 12, 2019, 10:09:10 PM »
Lets face it, in ROI, SF are little more than a protest vote. They're a bit full of themselves in NI. Hopefully in another few years they'll disappear back into their box.