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« Reply #5790 on: December 17, 2018, 11:29:29 AM »
So according to reports, May tabled three proposals last week.

Append the political declaration to the withdrawal agreement – so asking to turn fluffy terms like best endeavours into a legal context. Sounds bonkers. Set a fixed date for the free trade agreement to be finalised (Dec 2020) to prevent the need of the backstop – Canada took 7 years to do this and the UK (with a land border) think it can definitely be done it 18 months? Sounds bonkers. Commence the FTA talks prior to leaving in March – considering where the Commons are at adding anything more to the schedule before March sounds em bonkers.

How is Theresa May going to spin these updates to Parliament today?

There may be some clarifications coming from the EU but no legal assurances. She has to set out some plan for the next month that isn’t, think about the consequences of no deal and vote for this!

What we can’t find out now was the appetite for GB MPs for the 2-step backstop that the EU originally proposed. The UK wide backstop allowed GB MPs to be p1ssed off at two things, GB being in a customs union backstop and the splitting the precious union idea. Maybe if the first part had been split into two, an NI specific backstop followed by a GB one, the idea of the GB being in a customs union backstop may have been able to be sold as a much less likely outcome. Then the splitting the union idea would solely be an NI issue with less GB MPs grief grabbing. Of course this would have meant throwing the DUP under the bus much sooner and hoping for more cross-party support, which may not have happened anyway.

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« Reply #5791 on: December 17, 2018, 11:39:06 AM »

To draw further parallels, the Brexit voste would have to have to either given multiple choice options (Remain, Remain in EEA, Remain in SM, Have a Customs union, crash out, etc) leading to no one option getting an overall majority or the UK government would have unilaterally picked one of those options and agreed it with EU prior to the referendum.

Could we trust them to get it right this time and to then pick their preferred option prior to calling a poll?

I presume in such a scenario, they'd use a PR system of voting to choose the preferred option

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« Reply #5792 on: December 17, 2018, 01:29:11 PM »
So according to reports, May tabled three proposals last week.

Append the political declaration to the withdrawal agreement – so asking to turn fluffy terms like best endeavours into a legal context. Sounds bonkers. Set a fixed date for the free trade agreement to be finalised (Dec 2020) to prevent the need of the backstop – Canada took 7 years to do this and the UK (with a land border) think it can definitely be done it 18 months? Sounds bonkers. Commence the FTA talks prior to leaving in March – considering where the Commons are at adding anything more to the schedule before March sounds em bonkers.


18 months?

I was under the impression Britain thought it could be done in half an hour.

Now I hear people talking about trade deals taking seven or even ten years!

Who knew trade deals could be so complicated?!

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« Reply #5793 on: December 17, 2018, 01:41:43 PM »

To draw further parallels, the Brexit voste would have to have to either given multiple choice options (Remain, Remain in EEA, Remain in SM, Have a Customs union, crash out, etc) leading to no one option getting an overall majority or the UK government would have unilaterally picked one of those options and agreed it with EU prior to the referendum.

Could we trust them to get it right this time and to then pick their preferred option prior to calling a poll?


I presume in such a scenario, they'd use a PR system of voting to choose the preferred option

Do what Newfoundland did. 3 options? - Mays Deal, No Deal, Remain

From wiki
The island of Newfoundland, then a British colony, held two referendums in 1948 to determine its future. An initial referendum was held on June 3, 1948, to decide between continuing with the British appointed Commission of Government that had ruled the island since the 1930s, revert to dominion status with responsible government, or join Canadian Confederation. The result was inconclusive, with 44.6% supporting the restoration of dominion status, 41.1% for confederation with Canada, and 14.3% for continuing the Commission of Government. A second referendum on July 22, 1948, which asked Newfoundlanders to choose between confederation and dominion status, was decided by a vote of 52% to 48% for confederation with Canada. Newfoundland joined Canada on March 31, 1949.

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« Reply #5794 on: December 17, 2018, 03:13:30 PM »
Corbyn finally showing some balls for a change . . . the rollercoaster continues!!

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« Reply #5795 on: December 17, 2018, 06:49:04 PM »
Brexit downfall style

https://youtu.be/prFjbFDA1WY
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« Reply #5796 on: December 17, 2018, 07:08:10 PM »
Hold on - there's hope yet. Finally, one of the great minds of British politics is focussing her formidable intellect and finely honed diplomatic skills on the issue.
https://www.joe.ie/news/latest-remarks-labour-mp-brexit-border-baffling-651977

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« Reply #5797 on: December 17, 2018, 08:04:45 PM »
Thoroughly odious human being

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« Reply #5798 on: December 17, 2018, 10:16:19 PM »
Hold on - there's hope yet. Finally, one of the great minds of British politics is focussing her formidable intellect and finely honed diplomatic skills on the issue.
https://www.joe.ie/news/latest-remarks-labour-mp-brexit-border-baffling-651977

That web site is click bait crap but without clicking on it at a guess it is kate hoey!

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« Reply #5799 on: December 17, 2018, 10:24:50 PM »
Thoroughly odious human being

Who would turn down a threesome with Roof Dudley Edwards and Kate Hoey?
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« Reply #5800 on: December 18, 2018, 10:32:39 AM »
Thoroughly odious human being

Who would turn down a threesome with Roof Dudley Edwards and Kate Hoey?

You'd need a brave dose of viagra and some other hallucinogenic substance to stir the loins..............

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« Reply #5801 on: December 18, 2018, 01:04:36 PM »
Corbyn finally showing some balls for a change . . . the rollercoaster continues!!

Spineless.....he should have called for a motion of no confidence in the government.
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« Reply #5802 on: December 18, 2018, 01:25:06 PM »
The cult of Corbyn is going to crucify Labour eventually.

While I sincerely doubt he has any Brexit alternative and reckon he's winging it like the rest of them Corbyn playing his cards close to his chest is understandable - the Tories took the best bits of Labour's manifesto and enacted it.

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« Reply #5803 on: December 18, 2018, 01:37:51 PM »
Verhofstadt says no deal is not acceptable and that the EU will not cooperate

https://www.teletrader.com/eus-verhofstadt-dismisses-managed-no-deal-brexit/
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« Reply #5804 on: December 19, 2018, 03:15:05 PM »
The cult of Corbyn is going to crucify Labour eventually.

While I sincerely doubt he has any Brexit alternative and reckon he's winging it like the rest of them Corbyn playing his cards close to his chest is understandable - the Tories took the best bits of Labour's manifesto and enacted it.

Poor Jeremy in a bit of bother for mumbling "stupid woman" about Teasie.

Seems that that's not on, but lying through your teeth in plummy accents is.