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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13575 on: December 17, 2018, 10:05:04 PM »
What WaPo headline BTW?

I’ve checked Google and they range from the father blaming the CBP to the White House blaming the parent to the conservative columnist Jennifer Rubin calling the administration a disgrace for their comments.

WAPO Implying that the kid died from neglect at the hands of Border Patrol.

I can’t prove it was intentional, but many posters on here read it that way (as did thousands in Twitter )

What was the headline?

“7-year-old migrant girl taken into Border Patrol custody dies of dehydration, exhaustion”

And they followed up with this opinion piece today

“Horrifying indifference to children’s lives”

That’s it??

First one is a factual headline. The kid died hours after being taken into custody. And if anything, the inclusion of the words “dehydration, exhaustion” would lead one to, at least initially, suspect that her journey was a significant factor, unless there’s previous evidence that the CBP has been holding people in conditions where they are exposed to high temperatures and humidity without water.

2nd is an opinion piece by one of their CONSERVATIVE columnists.

How factual is it?

There is one report that she actually died of Sepsis

The headline could have as easily read “Despite valient efforts by the authorities to save her, 7 year old migrant succumbs.........” and still have been factual.


The dehydration bit was interpreted by many (including posters in here) to mean that they were denied basic care.

Poor Sid went one step further and referred to the Border agents as sadists linking in the article

The headline they used was about as neutral and non-opinionated as you could get.

You’ve demonstrated that by your own words: I gave you what my first impression would be; you countered with a polar opposite offered by someone here. Same neutral headline: two opposite interpretations.

The WaPo can’t control the biases or baggage that their reader brings to a headline.

You’re making a baseless accusation here.

LOL.....well Sid, Seafoid, Eamon and Screenexile read it the same way I read it....ie border patrol were somehow to blame for the girls death. (And lashed out as I expected they would)

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« Reply #13576 on: December 17, 2018, 11:53:59 PM »
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The 7-year-old girl who died in Border Patrol custody was healthy before she arrived, father says

By Michael Brice-Saddler December 15

The 7-year-old Guatemalan girl who died in U.S. Border Patrol custody was healthy before she arrived, and her family is now calling for an “objective and thorough” investigation into her death, a representative for the family said Saturday.

In a statement, the family’s attorneys disputed reports that the girl, Jakelin Caal, went several days without food and water before crossing the border, which contradicts statements by the Department of Homeland Security. Ruben Garcia, founder and executive director of Annunciation House — an El Paso-based nonprofit that aids migrants — said that the girl’s father, 29-year-old Nery Caal, said she was healthy and had no preexisting conditions.

“He’s been very clear, very consistent that his daughter was healthy, and his daughter very much wanted to come with him,” Garcia said during the news conference.


Garcia said he could not comment on specifics related to the girl’s death, and discouraged the media from speculating about the cause, which is now the subject of an internal investigation at the Department of Homeland Security. Congressional Democrats have also called for meetings with U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials and a full accounting of the incident.

Annunciation House said in a Facebook post that the girl’s father was in their care and being hosted in one of their houses. Nery Caal, who was granted provisional release from CBP custody according to consular officials, was not present at the briefing and has not spoken publicly about his daughter’s death Dec. 8 from dehydration, shock and liver failure.

“The death of any person while that person is in the custody of Border Patrol needs to be thoroughly and transparently investigated,” the post read. “This is doubly so when the person is a 7-year-old.”


Jakelin’s death was announced Thursday by U.S. Customs and Border Protection after inquiries by The Washington Post, raising questions about the conditions of their facilities. CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday that its stations were not properly suited to handle the record number of asylum seekers crossing the border, which include families and children.

CBP and Department of Homeland Security officials deny that the agency is responsible for what happened to the girl. The Trump Administration has also denied responsibility for her death.

More than a day before she died, Jakelin, her father and 161 other Central American migrants crossed the U.S. border outside of Antelope Wells, N.M., seeking to turn themselves in to Border Patrol agents.


A sobering account of Jakelin’s death posted on Facebook by the Department of Homeland Security called the incident “incredibly tragic.” The agency said the girl did not show any signs of health issues during a routine check that took place when she and her father were taken into custody.

“The initial screening revealed no evidence of health issues. During the screening, the father denied that either he or his daughter were ill. This denial was recorded on Form I-779 signed by the father,” the DHS account said, adding that they were offered food and water, and had access to restrooms. The form was supplied in English, but CBP officials said agents provided a verbal translation.

The family’s attorneys said in the statement that it was “unacceptable” to have Caal sign a document in a language that he didn’t understand. They also said that false speculation about her death could “undermine” the investigation.

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In a letter to Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kan.) late Friday, McAleenan said the child’s father said she “drank water and ate the food offered” while in custody and “was not demonstrating any signs of distress” before her father later notified agents that Jakelin was ill. Yoder is the chairman of the appropriations subcommittee for Homeland Security.

The two were picked up by a bus nearly eight hours after they crossed the border. It was here, DHS said, that Jakelin’s father complained that the 7-year-old was sick and vomiting. Her condition apparently worsened over the course of the 90-minute bus ride toward Lordsburg, N.M., which CBP officials said Friday was the fastest way for her to get medical attention.

Her father said his child was no longer breathing as the bus arrived to the station on the morning of Dec. 7. The girl’s fever had reached 105.9 degrees and agents providing medical care revived her twice, DHS said.


She died 15 hours later at the Providence Children’s Hospital, according to DHS and consular officials. Her father was present during her death.

“We urge investigating authorities to conduct a transparent and neutral investigation into Jakelin’s death while in custody,” her attorneys said in the statement.

In a letter to DHS Inspector General John Kelly on Friday, senior Democratic lawmakers, including members who will soon chair the House Judiciary and Homeland Security committees, demanded an immediate investigation into the girl’s death.

“The investigation should focus on policies and practices designed to protect health and safety, as well as policies and practices that may result in increased migration through particularly harsh terrain,” the letter said.

In a Friday morning tweet, Hillary Clinton suggested that the incident was symbolic of the “humanitarian crisis” taking place at the border.

Even the DHS  says she was healthy when taken into custody. Are they lying too?

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13577 on: Today at 12:59:26 AM »
Theyre saying that on initial onservation and based on a form signed by the father she seemed healthy

Do you expect 4 border patrol agents to give rigorous medical examinations to 165 people in the dead of night in a remote country area without access to any real medical facilities.

Preference was given to the 50 unaccompanied minors who made up part of this group and they were sent on the first bus.

So what do you think the border patrol agents did wrong?

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« Reply #13578 on: Today at 01:06:09 AM »
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« Reply #13579 on: Today at 11:45:07 AM »
What WaPo headline BTW?

I’ve checked Google and they range from the father blaming the CBP to the White House blaming the parent to the conservative columnist Jennifer Rubin calling the administration a disgrace for their comments.

WAPO Implying that the kid died from neglect at the hands of Border Patrol.

I can’t prove it was intentional, but many posters on here read it that way (as did thousands in Twitter )

What was the headline?

“7-year-old migrant girl taken into Border Patrol custody dies of dehydration, exhaustion”

And they followed up with this opinion piece today

“Horrifying indifference to children’s lives”

That’s it??

First one is a factual headline. The kid died hours after being taken into custody. And if anything, the inclusion of the words “dehydration, exhaustion” would lead one to, at least initially, suspect that her journey was a significant factor, unless there’s previous evidence that the CBP has been holding people in conditions where they are exposed to high temperatures and humidity without water.

2nd is an opinion piece by one of their CONSERVATIVE columnists.

How factual is it?

There is one report that she actually died of Sepsis

The headline could have as easily read “Despite valient efforts by the authorities to save her, 7 year old migrant succumbs.........” and still have been factual.


The dehydration bit was interpreted by many (including posters in here) to mean that they were denied basic care.

Poor Sid went one step further and referred to the Border agents as sadists linking in the article

The headline they used was about as neutral and non-opinionated as you could get.

You’ve demonstrated that by your own words: I gave you what my first impression would be; you countered with a polar opposite offered by someone here. Same neutral headline: two opposite interpretations.

The WaPo can’t control the biases or baggage that their reader brings to a headline.

You’re making a baseless accusation here.

LOL.....well Sid, Seafoid, Eamon and Screenexile read it the same way I read it....ie border patrol were somehow to blame for the girls death. (And lashed out as I expected they would)

And...?

FFS your suggested alternate neutral headline talks of “valiant efforts” to save the girl. THAT is not neutral. That is an opinion, an evaluation of the conduct of the authorities. It would be the same if the headline spoke of the “indifference” of the authorities.

The headline to which you object lists the facts. Nothing more. There is no qualifying or editorializing. It would be like saying “girl who crossed Canadian border in dead of winter succumbs to hypothermia hours after being apprehended”. Someone like yourself, looking to be offended, would automatically think the headline was blaming the CBP. Others might wonder about her journey through the harsh, Canadian winter leading up to her capture.