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Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #810 on: October 23, 2020, 02:50:27 PM »
We don't have 2 clay courts for grand slams, so your point is irrelevant...That's like saying if there was another grass Slam Federer would be winning more

Fed, reduced his calendar and allowed him to focus more on the Slams rather than all the tours .

You say is more likely he did dope, have you evidence of this or is it just something you made up? 

Being fitter as you get older isn't a strange one, I was doing triathlon's in my early 40 and marathons in my late 40's, whereas in my 20's I wouldn't be as fit as I was in my later life, people just manage their fitness better.

Nadal has won nearly double his Slams on one court , his spread of slam's is poor, 1 Aussie 2 Grass and seems to like the USA  having won more there that the other Slams bar French Open..

He's very good and I'd say on a par with Federer, plus his head to head with him is far better also

We have two hard court slams, one grass and one clay. It's relevant that 75% of the tennis season is tilted towards big servers and 25% of it towards all rounders. There really should be a second clay slam in place of one of the hard courts and had we a more even split in the season then Nadal would likely be way ahead.

Nadal's spread of slams are also not poor. Only Djokovic, Federer and Sampras have won more slams on hard and grass courts than Nadal in the modern era.

His renaissance in 2017 was very strange though, 6 years without a slam and then suddenly he starts outlasting younger players in 5 setters at 35 years of age, after knee surgery. As Simon said, given the baseless innuendo put around about Nadal for years, it's strange that no scrutiny was placed on Federer here - instead he was lauded for it.

Federer didn't win a US Open since 08. He did 5IAR US Open titles in a weakish era (04-08), he did similar at Wimbledon (03-07). He was able to pick up a French Open and Wimbledon in 2009 when Rafa who was reigning champ had to succumb to knee injuries. Since then in over a decade he has added just 5 slams, 3 Australian Opens and 2 Wimbledons. Nadal has won the same amount of hard and grass slams in that time.

Feds the best, your weakish ear thing means nothing..

Did Rafa ever have knee surgery? Did he preform better? and lets say Rafa wins more titles as he gets older will people think he's on the juice?

Strange one

Nope, Rafa has suffered from tendonitis in his knees, rest and a course of anti-inflammatories are his usual treatment for this. It flares up primarily on hard courts which is why Nadal has always been very selective about the tournaments he chooses.

Rafa has changed his game, he can't do the time on court he did when he was 24/25. He doesn't win the long rallies anymore like he used to, he plays his points shorter, more aggressively. His serve has improved dramatically under Moya. The 2015/16 era for Nadal was him playing a game that his body was no longer capable of. Many people had wrote him off at that time but he readapted his game and certain elements of his game are better than they ever were before.

I don't think he has the game anymore to do it with Djokovic on a hard court, the prime Nadal could have gone toe to toe with Djokovic on hard courts but  he doesn't have the physical levels to match him anymore in that regard.

Nadal's time on court in slams in the past 4 seasons will tell you all you need to know about the difference in his game.

I'm not saying Federer is a doper but when you think of the narrative and innuendo out there, it makes much more logical sense to be more suspicious of Federer than Nadal and I think that's the point Simon was making in his book. People have used slurs and innuendo all through Nadal's career because he was bettering Federer and there was no way some elements could accept that Nadal was better.


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Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #811 on: October 23, 2020, 02:59:42 PM »
With regards to doping, the most telling interview for me was Federer after Sharapova was banned for drug use.

He basically said that everyone in the game knew the dopers, and it was time for the big name dopers to be outed.
(Not the words of a guilty man imo).

The interview was before a match against Nadal; Federer said it was an honour to share the court with a true professional.

For me that day, Federer pointed the finger directly at Djokovic, whose form fell away drastically for a couple of years after Federer said this.
I often wonder did he lie low and come off the juice until things quietened down again.

The only other big name at the time was Murray, one person that can never be accused of doping! He always looked knackered at the end of the first set!

There is a lot of mutual respect between Federer and Nadal.

There is a lot of animosity between Federer and Djokovic, Nadal and Djokovic are not close but it doesn't seem to boil over into anything other than a professional rivalry. The dislike between Federer and Djokovic is a lot more transparent, I'm not sure of the reasoning behind it but both players don't hide it very well.

I'm not sure about Djokovic being a doper, he did have a massive upturn in his form when he uncovered he was celiac which again raised a lot of questions and innuendo. I think the real difference between Djokovic and his upturn was not physical but much more mental. The guy was always a machine but he did brought a kind of terminator mentality on court. The US Open win where he saved a number of match points against Federer, the Wimbledon final last year when Federer outplayed, had match points and he still hung on in there.

I would like to think all 3 are clean but I think you can sense which camp the innuendo and slurs come from and it's not the Djokovic and Nadal camps. I don't think it's driven from Federer or anyone in his team but more from his admirers and cheerleaders in the media and ex pros.

This was something Simon also mentioned in his book.