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Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

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« Reply #195 on: September 17, 2020, 10:20:40 AM »
Anyone else think it odd that in the wake of this overdue documentary most social media mentions are rounding on the south rather than on the perpetrators?

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« Reply #196 on: September 17, 2020, 10:27:32 AM »
Growing up in Portadown none of this is new to me, and it continued into the 90s with Billy Wright and his crew. Watching the families, a lot of them I know very well, brings it home as to how easily it could have been me standing in their place. I suppose we were lucky enough only to be put out of our house in what is now a loyalist area in 1972.

It's ridiculous to think that probably was true, although i'm sure it didn't feel lucky at the time. 

I thought it was interesting to see the parallels with "The Empire's" former colonies - how the army (and powers above) bred policing units to suppress and murder the locals who posed any opposition.

The fact is that collusion was long dismissed in many quarters, both north and south, as nonsensical - when the victims and those close knew exactly what was happening wasn't any coincidence.

I would say Drew Harris is no stranger to what went on, and was also part of the appeal against the families enquiry.

He was indeed.

And look where he is now.

That speaks volumes about the ignorance/lack of awareness of some parties.

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« Reply #197 on: September 17, 2020, 10:45:33 AM »
Anyone else think it odd that in the wake of this overdue documentary most social media mentions are rounding on the south rather than on the perpetrators?

These aren't new overnight revelations but far alot in the South they are.

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« Reply #198 on: September 17, 2020, 10:46:43 AM »
Growing up in Portadown none of this is new to me, and it continued into the 90s with Billy Wright and his crew. Watching the families, a lot of them I know very well, brings it home as to how easily it could have been me standing in their place. I suppose we were lucky enough only to be put out of our house in what is now a loyalist area in 1972.

The show means an awful lot to me as I would know a number of the families very well. Very few people round our way would not have known someone who wasn’t impacted by the Donnelly’s bar attack or the Reavey’s killings. I was born on the 17th December 1975, the same day as Roisin Brecknell. Our mothers were in hospital together, our fathers would have spoken to each other in the hospital. They spoke with each other about going for a drink but my dad couldn’t go as he had to look after my older brother and sister.  The 19th December was Black Eye Friday, the workmen from a local joinery factory were out for their Christmas party. My uncle was one of them. My great uncle was also there as he was a regular. My family members were lucky. The sliding doors of the universe meant my father picked up my siblings from my granny. There would have been a strong chance he would have been beside or close to Trevor when he died.

I went to Cullyhanna primary school, as did Roisin Brecknell, and Alan and Mark. The boys were older, round the same age as my brother. They were friends in primary school. I vividly remember my brother went to their house for a birthday party wearing his new jeans and they were all climbing walls and he ripped the shite out of the jeans. My mother went spare. Roisin and I would always have been in the same groups in early primary school because of our age. We were friends, as much as a boy and a girl can be friends at 7 years of age!

As I got older, and interested in football I would have heard about 2 football competitions between Cullyhanna and Silverbridge. The Trevor Brecknell and the Michael Donnelly Cups. The names never meant anything to a 10 year old who’s friends or their brothers always boasted about having won medals on these cups. Most of my friends were either Bridge or Cullyhanna men....I chased the glory with Cross at the grand old age of 8!  It was only later in my life that I understood what those cups were. I knew about the Donnelly’s attack. I knew it had been bad. I would have been out to Donnelly’s for years as a child, to the shop and later to the Post Office when it moved from Nan Savages round the corner. My mum would have collected my Granny’s pension and her Ireland’s Own and People’s Friend. I didn’t understand but knew something wasn’t right.

As I became a teenager it became clearer to me. I became more aware of our local history, my mum tried to keep us sheltered. We were not political. But you become aware of it as it’s staring at you daily. As I got older my views hardened but never that hard. We are tight round our area and even if we don’t agree with some things that happened most people understand why they did.

As I go older I became friends with members of the Reavey family but still didn’t know as much as I should. I found out what happened. I know them very well, Eugene Reavey is a man I admire more than most people in the world. His desire to see justice done and his unfailing love of the GAA makes us kindred spirits and his dignity in such dreadful circumstances is amazing.

Will this program make any difference? Who knows but if it educates people as to what really went on then it has made a difference. Both British and Irish governments have covered this up so I would not expect there to be anything from them.

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« Reply #199 on: September 17, 2020, 01:21:16 PM »
Eugene Reavey’s dignity in the face of the most brutal circumstances is admirable. His message of peace and reconciliation is something I don’t think I’d be able to reciprocate had I been in his shoes. Likewise Alan Brecknell.

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« Reply #200 on: September 17, 2020, 02:14:19 PM »
Reading these personal accounts drives home how lucky some of us were just to grow up in a time and place where we didn't have to deal with this shit. I grew up in south Donegal in the 70s and 80s about ten miles from the border, but due to simple geology (i.e. mountains/bogland) and the closing of remote rural border crossings, we were in actual fact pretty far removed from what was happening, even in geographically close areas such as west Tyrone and north Fermanagh. Yes, you'd obviously hear about it, but as a kid, I never personally knew anyone who was hurt or involved. Even once older, you'd hear about so-and-so locally who might, say, have got caught up in internment, but that was about it.

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« Reply #201 on: September 18, 2020, 11:21:08 AM »
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

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« Reply #202 on: September 18, 2020, 11:30:48 AM »
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Nobody gave a sh*t about Paul Quinn during that whole disgraceful agenda. It was actually vile to see that being played out in public for a particular political end.

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« Reply #203 on: September 18, 2020, 12:02:20 PM »
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Nobody gave a sh*t about Paul Quinn during that whole disgraceful agenda. It was actually vile to see that being played out in public for a particular political end.

I said that at the time - Paul Quinn's murder was used for political gain. That was pretty clear.

The lack of media attention isnt really that shocking is it?

Unquiet Graves has been released for quite some time. RTE refused to show it earlier.
Everyone in the media knew the content of the show.

Imagine the bombers & murderers of your own people in your capital city getting next to no coverage.

The lack of media attention shows their true colours.

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« Reply #204 on: September 18, 2020, 01:53:57 PM »
Jesus f**king wept....

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« Reply #205 on: September 18, 2020, 01:58:07 PM »
It was long overdue to be shown but the reaction, or more correctly lack of reaction, is symptomatic of what the general approach to the north has been for the last 100 years. We, in the wee six, are the tint of the litter and we are lucky that we haven’t been put down a long time ago. Our ‘heroes’ do not have the legitimacy of the Pearse’s, Connolly’s, Collins, Dev or whoever fought against the perfidious Albion for all those years, well at least until 1920. Our suffering is not as bad as the poor Irish men down the country to warrant actual support and assistance. We were not burned out of our homes, we were not kept under effective military control for decades, we were not abused, targeted nor discriminated against. And if we were all of these sure it was our own fault, isn’t that right Regina?

I would ask any of the ‘ruling’ parties to imagine one day in the life of Eugene Reavey, or Alan Brecknell, or any of the families from Monaghan or Dublin bombings. They can never appreciate not want to appreciate what went on up here.

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« Reply #206 on: September 18, 2020, 02:43:10 PM »
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Same in every country. RTE and Dublin government are Britain’s bitch. Always were.